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On December 06 2010 20:34 Bommes wrote:
Blizzard already addressed the Hatch first issue by making ramps not blockable with 2 buildings on the PTR.
So stop QQing, they won't change anything about marines.
Um I tested the PTR and you can still double bunker block and it now takes 3 pylons instead of 2 to block (which is actually pretty big  ). But tvz still the same although just a patrolling drone solves that problem.
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what is legal in Korea? Lemons? o_o didn't get it
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On December 06 2010 20:33 Mainland wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 20:29 Indel wrote:
Every single fucking retard that says you should go pool first is a worthless imbecile who just doesn't understand that you can't never, ever keep up with terran production with a single hatch. I've already posted this exact comment in this thread. Larva production with pool first with queen is the same as hatch first. Here is the source: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=117908Therefore, you can't say hatch-first is better for larva production. Going hatch first requires the Zerg to take 6-10+ drones off mining to defend against rushes. Therefore, you can't say hatch-first is better economically.
But the problem is that you can't break out of a bunker wall-in with zerglings.
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On December 06 2010 20:31 Umpteen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 20:23 iEchoic wrote:
TvZ is so dumb. Terran is overwhelmingly favored first 10 min and zerg overwhelmingly favored the rest. Maybe that would be less true if fewer Terran players spent the first 10 minutes building marines. If you go with a strategy that's all about the early win, and you fail, should you really be able to seamlessly transition into winning the late game?
You're an idiot. If Terran macros and doesnt apply marine pressure, not only will he be hardcore out droned but also out produced. Zerg will continuously max out and throw his army into Terran and re-max out before Terran can even max out his first army.
And I'm talking about a good zerg, not the noobs out there on ladder.
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On December 06 2010 20:33 JunkkaGom wrote:
I feel terrible not because of rain but because of an incident that happened between me and artosis. I deserve to be punched by artosis.
Tell us more, it will disappear among the zerg-QQ very quickly anyways 
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ugh, will zergs finally figure out how to stop these all marine pushes? Or stop going hatch first every ZvT game? This is getting so fucking boring.
I'd like to see the stats from this GSL on how many games zergs have lost going hatch first ZvT on maps other than scrap or shakuras.
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WOW Didn't expect Rain taking out NesTea. I did bet on Rain for the upset but damn that was unexpected.
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Isn't the #1 rule of LR threads "Don't Talk About Balance" ???
yet every single LR thread is nothing but crying Zergs.
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On December 06 2010 20:33 Moonwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 20:32 Pudge_172 wrote:
I'm fucking sick of idiots questioning hatch first after Idra and Ret tell you that hatch first is a must.
Yet its success rate against 2 rax is like 5%?
I would argue that pool first would be like 1%
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Fruitdealer time! Fruitdealer's so Cool.
Time to deal that fruit.
Fruitdealer fighting!
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God I'm still so mad that the terrible terran beat NesTea 
I have no idea how Rain managed to get this far. He is not even close to NesTea's level.
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Poor artosis....... getting trolled so hard.
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On December 06 2010 20:32 TehForce wrote:
i really dont get how every terran whiner can overlook jinros amazing games with pure terran macro overwhelming the zerg.
i guess they are just supermad because the only way they can win on ladder is 2rax/2base allin because they don't know how to play a good game
FFS people, stop using Jinro as an example. Moon literally played like a mid-diamond player, and that's not an exaggeration. He hasn't beaten anyone who played well yet. I think the style is cool and I like Jinro's play but this has got to stop.
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On December 06 2010 20:34 Warrior Madness wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 20:33 JunkkaGom wrote:
I feel terrible not because of rain but because of an incident that happened between me and artosis. I deserve to be punched by artosis. I'm the only one curious about what happened??
no you arent. pls tell us jon, no matter what we will still <3 you !
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On December 06 2010 20:34 Alpina wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2010 20:26 ch33psh33p wrote:
Wait... NesTea lost 3 times to the same shit, and didn't adapt the second or third time WHATSOEVER?
And you're calling Rain the shitty player? Sure he was cheesing/all-in/whatever you want to call it, but NesTea, as a champion, should've anticpated it on Game 5 EASILY, went pool first, and outmacroed rain from there. What do you mean adapt? Ton of terrans doing this strat last few weeks and Top zerg players still loosing to it, so maybe there isn't some magic way to adapt, don't you think?
When people make comments like that it immediately shows that they are not worth responding to. That's the typical thing for someone who likes to watch and theorize, but not play the game to say.
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I'm torn, I'd like to see some protoss do better this time around, but its the FruitDealer and I luvs him <3
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Nestea should learn how to defend an rush properly. It had nothing to do with imba, Nestea played terrible, and Rain was smart enough to play his opponents strengths and weaknesses, as ANY good player should do. Nestea didn't deserve the top 4 spot imo.
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Many many zerg tears about balance and all. Yet which race has won the last 2 GSL's?
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i can see artosis lime smuggling
lots of money to be had!
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EPT
