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On October 21 2010 15:35 speedphlux wrote:
That's been a pretty ... bad day at the GSL. Or at least the first half of it. No entertaining games for me today so far.
And I thought GSL 2 was going to be better then GSL 1. WTF is going on ?
If you look back at GSL 1 ro64, those games were very horribad as well
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On October 21 2010 15:35 speedphlux wrote:
That's been a pretty ... bad day at the GSL. Or at least the first half of it. No entertaining games for me today so far.
And I thought GSL 2 was going to be better then GSL 1. WTF is going on ?
GSL 1 ro64 was pretty awful aswell. It really only got good in ro32.
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On October 21 2010 15:36 zerglingsfolife wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2010 15:32 Selith wrote:On October 21 2010 15:28 zerglingsfolife wrote:
I think IdrA is going to 2-0 ogsgon. This is a perfect matchup for IdrA. He 2-1ed QXC, 2-0ed Select. Both heavy harass players. IdrA has gotten very good at deflecting harass. Honestly, I think the best way to beat IdrA now is to fast expand and get a nice 2 base timing attack. Going to be hard. Gon really doesn't want to lose to idra. Korean interview says that Gon had a negative experience with idra on battle.net, so he really really REALLY doesn't want to lose to him. Does anyone want to lose to anyone? I'm sure IdrA was bm for a reason and really, really doesn't want to lose to ogsgon either.
Errr, I'm as much of the Gracken hype machine as anyone, but I'm not sure that's really the case for IdrA. Ever.
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new thread? this title says its 4a only.
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On October 21 2010 15:35 Senx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2010 15:31 KingRajesh wrote:On October 21 2010 15:30 Senx wrote:
I really don't see anything else than a zerg winning GSL 2 yet again.. P and T just seems utterly confused as to what the fuck they need to do vs Zerg now.
And what is it, like 11 out of 15 zergs ( not all played yet ) have qualified. Absolutely ridicilous.
And its not like there's been any zvzs from what I can recall.
That's because no Terran or Protoss has played a stand up game versus Zerg, and they're so used to having free wins against Zerg that they have no idea what to do with a balanced matchup. Maybe they're not playing "stand up" for a reason.. they can't beat zerg in a macro game, specificly terran. When I see a terran win a pro-level macro game vs a Zerg in GSL i'll shut up, I promise. 
We are all theory crafting here, but I really think Terran players havent adjusted to the patch yet. Gretorp explained it pretty well on the last state of the game podcast. The early harass builds were pretty easy to execute and get into the midgame with an advantage. Now that it's taken away, they are beginning to practice macro openings much more. Gretorp said the past week he's been fooling around with 1 rax FE like BW and he is pretty excited. I think we just need to give a little bit of time.
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On October 21 2010 15:38 RHMVNovus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2010 15:36 zerglingsfolife wrote:On October 21 2010 15:32 Selith wrote:On October 21 2010 15:28 zerglingsfolife wrote:
I think IdrA is going to 2-0 ogsgon. This is a perfect matchup for IdrA. He 2-1ed QXC, 2-0ed Select. Both heavy harass players. IdrA has gotten very good at deflecting harass. Honestly, I think the best way to beat IdrA now is to fast expand and get a nice 2 base timing attack. Going to be hard. Gon really doesn't want to lose to idra. Korean interview says that Gon had a negative experience with idra on battle.net, so he really really REALLY doesn't want to lose to him. Does anyone want to lose to anyone? I'm sure IdrA was bm for a reason and really, really doesn't want to lose to ogsgon either. Errr, I'm as much of the Gracken hype machine as anyone, but I'm not sure that's really the case for IdrA. Ever.
Gon probably BC rushed him and IdrA called him an idiot xD
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On October 21 2010 15:38 RHMVNovus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2010 15:36 zerglingsfolife wrote:On October 21 2010 15:32 Selith wrote:On October 21 2010 15:28 zerglingsfolife wrote:
I think IdrA is going to 2-0 ogsgon. This is a perfect matchup for IdrA. He 2-1ed QXC, 2-0ed Select. Both heavy harass players. IdrA has gotten very good at deflecting harass. Honestly, I think the best way to beat IdrA now is to fast expand and get a nice 2 base timing attack. Going to be hard. Gon really doesn't want to lose to idra. Korean interview says that Gon had a negative experience with idra on battle.net, so he really really REALLY doesn't want to lose to him. Does anyone want to lose to anyone? I'm sure IdrA was bm for a reason and really, really doesn't want to lose to ogsgon either. Errr, I'm as much of the Gracken hype machine as anyone, but I'm not sure that's really the case for IdrA. Ever.
Do you think IdrA just randomly has tourettes and types shit into the chat? No, he gets cheesed, cliffed, etc and bms. Those are called reasons.
Edit: Spelling
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On October 21 2010 15:35 Senx wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2010 15:31 KingRajesh wrote:On October 21 2010 15:30 Senx wrote:
I really don't see anything else than a zerg winning GSL 2 yet again.. P and T just seems utterly confused as to what the fuck they need to do vs Zerg now.
And what is it, like 11 out of 15 zergs ( not all played yet ) have qualified. Absolutely ridicilous.
And its not like there's been any zvzs from what I can recall.
That's because no Terran or Protoss has played a stand up game versus Zerg, and they're so used to having free wins against Zerg that they have no idea what to do with a balanced matchup. Maybe they're not playing "stand up" for a reason.. they can't beat zerg in a macro game, specificly terran. When I see a terran win a pro-level macro game vs a Zerg in GSL i'll shut up, I promise.
Just because it hasn't been done yet, doesn't mean it can't be done. There are still timing windows in the later game that aren't being exploited, such as the long period of time it takes to get ultralisks or brood lords. I know when I play macro games in the late stages that's when I'm most worried.
Also, Terrans and Protoss need to innovate quickly. The patch is over a week old now. Stop doing the same things that don't work anymore (I.E Forge Fast Expand) This is 1.1.2, get a new build order, or get crushed. It's that simple.
I also note that you didn't address the second sentence in the quote. 
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zerg is just going to dominate this tournament
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On October 21 2010 15:35 speedphlux wrote:
That's been a pretty ... bad day at the GSL. Or at least the first half of it. No entertaining games for me today so far.
And I thought GSL 2 was going to be better then GSL 1. WTF is going on ?
Can you honestly say that..
+ Show Spoiler +the Mothership-game wasn't hilarious?!
But yeah, single elimination and no show-ups in qualifiers (thus getting far without playing anyone) in play here. If it was just feasible to make qualifiers in round robin format..
Also, it's not like GSL1 had anything special in RO64. JSLZenith vs sSKS was the only very high-level matchup in which the other player wasn't completely dominant, as far as I recall.
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On October 21 2010 15:43 tyrless wrote:
zerg is just going to dominate this tournament
no kidding, hopefully terran and protoss will adapt soon or something, cuz ZvZ ....
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We should be patient though, starting 2011 we'll have seeded tournaments so the scrubs will pretty much be non-existant as it only includes the top players from the numerous GSL Opens.
More foreigners really need to take the chance to possibly get into the GSL Opens and by that seeded in the GSL tournies in 2011.
Hopefully season 3 is going to be sick from a foreign perspective.
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im putting my money on idra to win gsl2.
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On October 21 2010 15:41 zerglingsfolife wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2010 15:38 RHMVNovus wrote:On October 21 2010 15:36 zerglingsfolife wrote:On October 21 2010 15:32 Selith wrote:On October 21 2010 15:28 zerglingsfolife wrote:
I think IdrA is going to 2-0 ogsgon. This is a perfect matchup for IdrA. He 2-1ed QXC, 2-0ed Select. Both heavy harass players. IdrA has gotten very good at deflecting harass. Honestly, I think the best way to beat IdrA now is to fast expand and get a nice 2 base timing attack. Going to be hard. Gon really doesn't want to lose to idra. Korean interview says that Gon had a negative experience with idra on battle.net, so he really really REALLY doesn't want to lose to him. Does anyone want to lose to anyone? I'm sure IdrA was bm for a reason and really, really doesn't want to lose to ogsgon either. Errr, I'm as much of the Gracken hype machine as anyone, but I'm not sure that's really the case for IdrA. Ever. Do you think IdrA just randomly has tourettes and types shit into the chat? No, he gets cheesed, cliffed, etc and bms. Those are called reasons. Edit: Spelling
Yes. Yes, they are. I thought you were implying the reasons were justified, as opposed to just 'causes.'
My bad.
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On October 21 2010 15:36 CanucksJC wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2010 15:35 Geo.Rion wrote:On October 21 2010 15:30 Senx wrote:
I really don't see anything else than a zerg winning GSL 2 yet again.. P and T just seems utterly confused as to what the fuck they need to do vs Zerg now.
And what is it, like 11 out of 15 zergs ( not all played yet but 2 quite strong zergs playing later today ) have qualified. Absolutely ridicilous.
And its not like there's been any zvzs from what I can recall.
i dont think there were too many upsets to be honest. 2 OK protoss were knocked out by Zerg, and one OK zerg was knocked out by a P. The rest was either "blah, 1 has to advance" or outclassing. I think HongUnPrime getting 2-0ed was a pretty big upset. He played pretty well last season imo.
I expected Hongun, LegalMind and Cezanne to qualify easily. Those were the biggest upsets imo. 2 by zerg, and one zerg. I dont feel this is an earth scattering issue just yet.
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Sorry I seem to be late to the party, would anyone be kind enough to give me a summary about the whole "Grack" thing with IdrA and boxer?
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On October 21 2010 16:03 Angelbelow wrote:
Sorry I seem to be late to the party, would anyone be kind enough to give me a summary about the whole "Grack" thing with IdrA and boxer?
![[image loading]](http://i52.tinypic.com/2vw7m8h.jpg)
First three lines, at least, are accurate.
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On October 21 2010 15:59 Geo.Rion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 21 2010 15:36 CanucksJC wrote:On October 21 2010 15:35 Geo.Rion wrote:On October 21 2010 15:30 Senx wrote:
I really don't see anything else than a zerg winning GSL 2 yet again.. P and T just seems utterly confused as to what the fuck they need to do vs Zerg now.
And what is it, like 11 out of 15 zergs ( not all played yet but 2 quite strong zergs playing later today ) have qualified. Absolutely ridicilous.
And its not like there's been any zvzs from what I can recall.
i dont think there were too many upsets to be honest. 2 OK protoss were knocked out by Zerg, and one OK zerg was knocked out by a P. The rest was either "blah, 1 has to advance" or outclassing. I think HongUnPrime getting 2-0ed was a pretty big upset. He played pretty well last season imo. I expected Hongun, LegalMind and Cezanne to qualify easily. Those were the biggest upsets imo. 2 by zerg, and one zerg. I dont feel this is an earth scattering issue just yet.
Clide, Hyperdub, and Polt getting knocked off were pretty big upsets too.
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Just like Jason Lee said yesterday, maybe GSL should get a villain. Maybe IdrA and the Liquid guys should go for a "Nexus" as in WWE.
Might be bad for the foreigner scene in Korea, but would make it a bit interesting, seeing as it would be even more Koreans VS. The World. I bet that would boost the Korean ratings at least.
Might be a bit silly. But then again, WWE is rather retarded, but indeed entertaining non the less.
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On October 21 2010 16:15 Kraznaya wrote:
Clide, Hyperdub, and Polt getting knocked off were pretty big upsets too.
Cliiiiiiiiide, why so bad? Unexpected to see Hyperdub getting eliminated in Ro64.
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