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Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
October 16 2010 18:30 GMT
#2801
On October 17 2010 03:29 SonicTitan wrote:
Never seen kiwikaki play. Effin aggressive player man. It doesn't help that he knew that Idra was going to FE EVERY SINGLE GAME. God, Idra's good, but that predictability is catching up with him.


IdrA is good enough to make it hard to beat him, even if you know what he's going to do. He had the same problems with Terran in SC:BW, but it didn't matter most of the time.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
October 16 2010 18:30 GMT
#2802
Even if you look at DPS, instead of damage (stalkers hit faster) roaches are still really really good against stalkers. Immortals are the counter to roaches. Range 3 or range 4, roaches hard counter stalkers. The problem with roaches was heavy forcefield+colossus play or so many stalkers that you can't catch up.
Cyanocyst
Profile Joined October 2010
2222 Posts
October 16 2010 18:30 GMT
#2803
On October 17 2010 03:27 klauz619 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 03:25 phamou wrote:
On October 17 2010 03:23 klauz619 wrote:
Idra only won game 2 cause of the range buff (not counting how well he played considering the harassment).

Anyway

1 stalker = 125/50. 10+4 damage, 160hp.

2 roaches = 150/50. 16 damage x2. 145 hp x2.

Zerg can just spam roaches and lings and destroy protoss until they get robots to deal the splash + inflated damage.


yeh except add maybe 100minerals for each overlord you need, since 2 roach = 4 supply and 1 stalker = 2



Zerg economy is better than protoss especially early on, that's a given.



Oh you still lose.


Lol No its not. thanks to ChronoBoost Protoss early game eco is superior to that of Zerg. Zerg actually have to get that expo fairly saturated in order for there eco to blast past that of Protoss.
|| Fruit Dealer | Leenock | Yughio | Coca | Sniper | True | Solar | Dark |
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
October 16 2010 18:30 GMT
#2804
On October 17 2010 03:29 Mabius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 03:28 Arkedo wrote:
am i the only one that thinks that hot pocket commercial is a little dumb. Considering the fact they are eating cheese burgers and you dont normally eat burgers with forks >.<


The only good commercials is the doritos one and the sasquatch ones

Korean commercials > US ones

WAI PAI anyone?

Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Jaal
Profile Joined May 2010
United States61 Posts
October 16 2010 18:31 GMT
#2805
Painuser had an epic run. One for the ages.


What place did PainUser finish in?
Ezze
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada934 Posts
October 16 2010 18:31 GMT
#2806
Is it wrong that I get goosebumps thinking about IdrA vs HuK?
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-10-16 18:31:44
October 16 2010 18:31 GMT
#2807
On October 17 2010 03:29 SonicTitan wrote:
Never seen kiwikaki play. Effin aggressive player man. It doesn't help that he knew that Idra was going to FE EVERY SINGLE GAME. God, Idra's good, but that predictability is catching up with him.


Yeah, zerg needs to do more 1 base play... That'll go well.

edit: 1 base roach perhaps became better, but forcefields or immortals would still wreck it.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Neo.NEt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States785 Posts
October 16 2010 18:31 GMT
#2808
If Kiwi makes it to the finals, he'll start off down 2-1.
Apologize.
Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
October 16 2010 18:31 GMT
#2809
On October 17 2010 03:24 Kagami-sama wrote:
Looks like the HuK stops here...

User was warned for this pun



Hahaha, brilliant.
forgottendreams: One underage girl, two drunk guys, one gogo dancer and starcraft 2. Apparently just another day in Europe.
kojinshugi
Profile Joined August 2010
Estonia2559 Posts
October 16 2010 18:31 GMT
#2810
On October 17 2010 03:27 silentsaint wrote:
He was behind because he used that money on cannons instead on something different. The problem was that the cannons didnt do much damage (killed around 2 drones at his fe and some lings at his own base). He had no back-up-plan if that failed. So thats a cheese.


No, it's early aggression that failed. He overcommited.

Cheese is something you hide early game and if it's not scouted in time it's unbeatable. Cheese doesn't need to be all-in (although it can be).

He was going forge FE anyway, and that allowed cannons early. He didn't do it out of sight. He overcommited on cannons but it's in no way cheese.
whatsgrackalackin420
Cade
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1420 Posts
October 16 2010 18:31 GMT
#2811
On October 17 2010 03:27 klauz619 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 03:25 phamou wrote:
On October 17 2010 03:23 klauz619 wrote:
Idra only won game 2 cause of the range buff (not counting how well he played considering the harassment).

Anyway

1 stalker = 125/50. 10+4 damage, 160hp.

2 roaches = 150/50. 16 damage x2. 145 hp x2.

Zerg can just spam roaches and lings and destroy protoss until they get robots to deal the splash + inflated damage.


yeh except add maybe 100minerals for each overlord you need, since 2 roach = 4 supply and 1 stalker = 2



Zerg economy is better than protoss especially early on, that's a given.

Ok let's add 25 minerals to them due to the supply cost. And assume they have equal income(lol?)

2 stalkers = 300/100. 160hp x2. 10+4 damage x2..
3 roaches = 300/75. 145hp x 3. 16 damage x3.

Oh you still lose.


You are forgetting that stalkers have 6 range rather than 4, have a 1.44 cooldown rather than 2, have a 2.9531 speed rather than 2.25 (unupgraded) roach speed, and have a blink upgrade which counters the roach speed upgrade very well
FrodaN
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
754 Posts
October 16 2010 18:31 GMT
#2812
HuK even admitted his PvZ is his weakest matchup so IdrA may be onto something here. Either way, I think whoever comes out on top of the WB Finals is our champion regardless of who comes from the LB.
Tyrio
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3248 Posts
October 16 2010 18:31 GMT
#2813
finals and grand finals bo5?
[NA] Tyrio.486 / Ahsh
klauz619
Profile Joined July 2010
453 Posts
October 16 2010 18:31 GMT
#2814
On October 17 2010 03:30 Cpadolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 03:27 klauz619 wrote:
On October 17 2010 03:25 phamou wrote:
On October 17 2010 03:23 klauz619 wrote:
Idra only won game 2 cause of the range buff (not counting how well he played considering the harassment).

Anyway

1 stalker = 125/50. 10+4 damage, 160hp.

2 roaches = 150/50. 16 damage x2. 145 hp x2.

Zerg can just spam roaches and lings and destroy protoss until they get robots to deal the splash + inflated damage.


yeh except add maybe 100minerals for each overlord you need, since 2 roach = 4 supply and 1 stalker = 2



Zerg economy is better than protoss especially early on, that's a given.

Ok let's add 25 minerals to them due to the supply cost. And assume they have equal income(lol?)

2 stalkers = 300/100. 160hp x2. 10+4 damage x2..
3 roaches = 300/75. 145hp x 3. 16 damage x3.

Oh you still lose.



Except Stalkers are faster out of the box, have longer range, can shoot air and can learn blink. Honestly, are you god damn kidding me with this comparison?



Blink and shooting air is very useful when the zerg overruns you with 2x your population of roaches early on.
Truefire
Profile Joined August 2010
United States226 Posts
October 16 2010 18:31 GMT
#2815
On October 17 2010 03:29 Mabius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 03:28 Arkedo wrote:
am i the only one that thinks that hot pocket commercial is a little dumb. Considering the fact they are eating cheese burgers and you dont normally eat burgers with forks >.<


The only good commercials is the doritos one and the sasquatch ones

Best ones are old spice
Fa1nT
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3423 Posts
October 16 2010 18:31 GMT
#2816
Even if it is a rematch in the finals, idra starts a match ahead.
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
October 16 2010 18:31 GMT
#2817
On October 17 2010 03:28 SpaceYeti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 17 2010 03:26 sixghost wrote:
On October 17 2010 03:23 klauz619 wrote:
Idra only won game 2 cause of the range buff (not counting how well he played considering the harassment).

Anyway

1 stalker = 125/50. 10+4 damage, 160hp.

2 roaches = 150/50. 16 damage x2. 145 hp x2.

Zerg can just spam roaches and lings and destroy protoss until they get robots to deal the splash + inflated damage.

this isn't wow, you can't judge balance with a spreadsheet.

Srsly. There's speed, range, abilities, positioning and all other sorts of micro considerations to take into account.

both players micro'd the roach/stalker balls fairly evenly, and the stalkers got assraped. speedroaches outrun stalkers so you can't kite them anymore. considering zlots arnt an option against roaches its basically straight-up fight and roaches appear to win easily now. would like to see how much 1 GS affects that battle, although sentry is so slow it would probably be sniped immediately.
Nizaris
Profile Joined May 2010
Belgium2230 Posts
October 16 2010 18:31 GMT
#2818
nice DJWheat casting the winners bracket final.
Tzyx
Profile Joined August 2010
Northern Ireland281 Posts
October 16 2010 18:31 GMT
#2819
kiwikaki was really good to watch, i like watching such aggressive style. idra fighting tho :>
papercoop
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom107 Posts
October 16 2010 18:32 GMT
#2820
wheat for huk v idra sweet
dont quote me on that
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