On October 04 2010 12:19 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
guys, if they were good enough to do strong strategies and be unstoppable 2v1...then they wouldn't be in gold to begin with

as someone with experience in 1vmultiple people, they generally dont cheese/double 6 pool/worker rush/etc because they're always cocky..and then they usually lose.

Alright all this gold bashing has to stop... You guys realize how rarely promotions happen, right? I'm 1200 gold and regularly beat plat and diamond players. LEAGUE IS MEANINGLESS!

moshmoshmosh

United States18 Posts

October 04 2010 17:26 GMT

#490

So bm, it's hard to imagine those guys as college students. Well done Chease

DeckOneBell

United States526 Posts

October 04 2010 17:37 GMT

#491

Anyone else think FourPool is the real winner, for being the best at trash talk?

Tsagacity

United States2124 Posts

October 04 2010 17:37 GMT

#492

On October 04 2010 20:48 Sisko wrote:
I love the "you play too much kid go outside" because anyone better than you has no life, and everyone worse than you must be retarded.

See sig

On October 05 2010 02:21 darkwing.Huzow wrote:
You guys realize how rarely promotions happen, right? I'm 1200 gold and regularly beat plat and diamond players. LEAGUE IS MEANINGLESS!

You're an outlier. For the most part gold/plat means a lot.

On October 04 2010 22:49 Hawk wrote:
Awesome man, id start bragging to those girls in the class assap, im sure they want to be around a champion instead of a buch of social people who cant' win

Yeah those guys are obviously classy studs.

Plaaguu

United States406 Posts

October 04 2010 17:40 GMT

#493

Haha entertaining matches, hope you spend the $100 well!

darkwing.Huzow

United States35 Posts

October 04 2010 17:42 GMT

#494

On October 05 2010 02:37 Tsagacity wrote:

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You're an outlier. For the most part gold/plat means a lot.

You sure about that? Seems that ladder promotion happens after your 40th game, and then possibly never (maybe until end of "ladder season," maybe a completely arbitrary and high number of games played). So if your skill changes dramatically after your 40th ladder game, your league is literally meaningless. Check sc2ranks.com. Diamond league is full of <600 point noobs and gold plat has it's share of >1200 point players, because league promotions appear to not really happen at all.

I'm matched regularly with players from silver to diamond, and their league has no bearing on their skill. I'm as likely to beat a diamond I'm matched with as a silver.

Ic3d

Canada187 Posts

October 04 2010 17:45 GMT

#495

Well to be promoted you need to do well in your games. The system is actually very good at measuring skill. Points are only really valid once you are at Diamond as they are reset when you change leagues.

darkwing.Huzow

United States35 Posts

October 04 2010 18:04 GMT

#496

Edit: Or maybe I'm just rationalizing the fact that I'm still in gold

On October 05 2010 02:45 Ic3d wrote:
Well to be promoted you need to do well in your games. The system is actually very good at measuring skill. Points are only really valid once you are at Diamond as they are reset when you change leagues.

I think that your two points here are contrary to most of the existing assumptions about the ranking system. Drawing primarily from Excalibur's threads (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=150367, http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=118212, and http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=142211).

1) "Well to be promoted you need to do well in your games." This could mean two things: could mean that your performance in game matters to your ranking (E.g., economy, margin of victory, etc). This is pretty much accepted to be false - only thank that matters is Ws and Ls. "A: Both factors are irrelevant because they can be gamed. The only contributing factor to promotion is the end outcome (win or loss) and the skill level of your opponent (his MMR). This is confirmed by Blizzard's Leagues and Ladders FAQ, found in a sticky at the top of the Multiplayer and eSports forum."

Could also mean that you'll be promoted after getting good results, e.g., winning enough games. Clearly that's true, but what is unclear is how often it's even possible to be promoted regardless of your your success, "The system periodically re-evaluates your placement every X games. X varies and nobody knows because Blizzard is explicitly not telling us, however according to a recent interview with Dustin Browder, your initial promotion or demotion will be evaluated after about 30 games." So the initial evaluation is after 40 total ladder games (5 placement, 5 more for 1st review, and then 30 more for last scheduled review). After that, it's totally unclear when you'll be reviewed for promotion again.

2) "Points are only really valid once you are at Diamond as they are reset when you change leagues." I believe this goes against the current prevailing wisdom. Points are comparable across league because you can be matched against anyone in any league based on your (and their) MMR. If I'm playing diamond and plat as much as gold (which I am), then clearly my rating should not be inflated by the fact that I'm in gold. Could be some mechanic here I'm not understanding, but I don't see why it would matter.

Ic3d

Canada187 Posts

October 04 2010 18:11 GMT

#497

There is a lot more to the system then what we know about and what we 'think' we know.

I was wrong in trying to blame it on the system. I personally believe is the league placements are fairly accurate in terms of skill, and x2 gold =/= 1 diamond.

Irennicus

United States8 Posts

October 04 2010 18:16 GMT

#498

I'm in gold and regularly beat platinum/diamond players but have lost to a few silvers even recently. If you're just a low or mid-level diamond you should try challenging the next high score gold/silver player you find to really test the waters. The silver/gold/plat/diamond part is really only a rough outline for about 50% of the player base but the rest have extraneous circumstances like playing intoxicated sometimes or letting other people ladder on their account.