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On September 19 2010 05:28 sleepingdog wrote:
e-sports really has to get in touch with media-science on this one - there have been countless research-studies and much theoretical work on the "live" experience compared to watching recorded stuff
you can't put it in a nut-shell, but basicly it's about the feeling to participate at something that still has a somewhat "random" outcome; which means, when you "know" that the stuff you're watching has already a defined "result", psychology tells us that there is much less thrill about how it's going to end: because the end already exists;
won't elaborate further, but people who are interested in this could use google-books or university-library, there is really lots of stuff on this issue
didn't know there was that much research in that direction, sounds really fascinating, thanks for the tip, gonna search right now!
can you maybe give me names of key theories or books?
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On September 19 2010 05:42 Skillz_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 05:38 travis wrote:
i don't understand why people have to be such whiny bitches because it's replays
it doesn't matter at all if it's live or not
IT DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL
if ur worried about spoilers then yeah don't view the chat, that's kind of gay... gotta deal with it, it's bnets fault
but if ur complaining about "lack of excitement".... well what the hell, that's your problem, it's completely mental. Well then why are there thousands of people up at 3am watching scbw when they can watch YouTube videos... Yeah. Why do you buy a live ticket to a hockey game if you can watch it on TV. It's more hype and more excitment. It is a part of a mental aspect but it's ridicolous to say that replays = live.
People wake up at 3AM to be part of the live broadcast, not because they believe they have to see the games as they are being played or they will for whatever reason feel out of the loop.
You're conflating the draw of watching a broadcast live (significant, and we're all experiencing it now watching this tourney) and watching a game as it is being played (very very little when you consider that results have not been released and the games are just now being broadcast for the first time).
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On September 19 2010 05:45 Eury wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 05:41 hazz wrote:
seriously... "OHH MY GAWWWDDDDDDDDDDDDDD" ? insightful commentary meight Djwheat just happens to be one of the best e-sports commentator out there, and he have been casting for over a decade. If you don't like it I suggest you fuck off and do something else instead. Same goes to that Full tilt guy, go and play poker or something.
haha seriously? Djwheat is clueless, if someone who talks a lot and says "OMFG!" every time he looks at a unit moving near an enemy, and doesnt even know what PDD does != a good commentator, nevermind one of the "best".
also "Go and play poker"? rofl. how long did it take you to think of that one? 
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strelok doing a great job with his cloaked banshees
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Let's put it this way - imagine live broadcasting from within the game wasn't even technically possible (which in some sense is true), so the only way to watch a game was that some people play it, and then the replay is broadcasted asap. Would that reduce the excitement? Nope.
And keep in mind the problems with in-game broadcasters, the annoyance for players, the lag, the cheating. In the end the quality of the game itself is of the highest priority, and it gains from this.
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Tarson still in this game as long as he has such air control.
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On September 19 2010 05:47 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 05:42 Skillz_Man wrote:On September 19 2010 05:38 travis wrote:
i don't understand why people have to be such whiny bitches because it's replays
it doesn't matter at all if it's live or not
IT DOESN'T MATTER AT ALL
if ur worried about spoilers then yeah don't view the chat, that's kind of gay... gotta deal with it, it's bnets fault
but if ur complaining about "lack of excitement".... well what the hell, that's your problem, it's completely mental. Well then why are there thousands of people up at 3am watching scbw when they can watch YouTube videos... Yeah. Why do you buy a live ticket to a hockey game if you can watch it on TV. It's more hype and more excitment. It is a part of a mental aspect but it's ridicolous to say that replays = live. People wake up at 3AM to be part of the live broadcast, not because they believe they have to see the games as they are being played or they will for whatever reason feel out of the loop. You're conflating the draw of watching a broadcast live (significant, and we're all experiencing it now watching this tourney) and watching a game as it is being played (very very little when you consider that results have not been released and the games are just now being broadcast for the first time).
i think everyone knows that its not logical to complain about they cast replays, but its just that many people think its not as thrilling as live. (at least on the biggest german esportssite no one cares about the tournament since its replaycasted.. in the comments everyone complains about it..) its just not realy explainable...
for me its just like watching some random dude casting a replay on his youtubechannel, where is the difference? i cant see a difference to be honest its just as "thrilling"
at least the replays castet on youtubechannels are definetly exciting cause they were chosen for a reason...
well again im sry for whining 
was my last post in this thread(if no one asks me smth in here).
@two above me
im wondering why there are two cups with a 1024 and a 512 grid every sunday, FULL. with many many many progamers though its all about cheating and lagging.
and yes it would be worse if they'd cast only replays..
+ if other tournements cast live and ATLO not, than it feels like not as entertaining
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On September 19 2010 05:55 figq wrote:
Let's put it this way - imagine live broadcasting from within the game wasn't even technically possible (which in some sense is true), so the only way to watch a game was that some people play it, and then the replay is broadcasted asap. Would that reduce the excitement? Nope.
Yeah I mean the funny thing is that TL could easily say that this was being played live and nobody would know the difference. But mention "replays" and all of a sudden some kids raise all sorts of irrational objections.
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On September 19 2010 05:57 JWD wrote:
Tarson still in this game as long as he has such air control.
you jinxed it.
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If you compare Djwheat to any SC2 commentator, he is far and away the most professional "broadcaster" there is.
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So is DJWheat getting paid by GOM or something?
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On September 19 2010 05:59 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 05:55 figq wrote:
Let's put it this way - imagine live broadcasting from within the game wasn't even technically possible (which in some sense is true), so the only way to watch a game was that some people play it, and then the replay is broadcasted asap. Would that reduce the excitement? Nope. Yeah I mean the funny thing is that TL could easily say that this was being played live and nobody would know the difference. But mention "replays" and all of a sudden some kids raise all sorts of irrational objections.
Yup and surprisingly the stream is getting just as many viewers as any 512 cup would have gotten live.
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I agree, Chill + dj is a good combo. Chill has good knowledge, and dj brings the colour- it reminds me a lot of day + jp.
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On September 19 2010 05:59 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 05:55 figq wrote:
Let's put it this way - imagine live broadcasting from within the game wasn't even technically possible (which in some sense is true), so the only way to watch a game was that some people play it, and then the replay is broadcasted asap. Would that reduce the excitement? Nope. Yeah I mean the funny thing is that TL could easily say that this was being played live and nobody would know the difference. But mention "replays" and all of a sudden some kids raise all sorts of irrational objections.
It amuses me how many people think the HDH was cast live and not through replays as well. Only when its talked about does it suddenly become an issue.
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On September 19 2010 06:03 JWD wrote:
So is DJWheat getting paid by GOM or something?
Yeah, how dare he talk about a different tournament while casting a TL event?
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On September 19 2010 05:59 JWD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 05:55 figq wrote:
Let's put it this way - imagine live broadcasting from within the game wasn't even technically possible (which in some sense is true), so the only way to watch a game was that some people play it, and then the replay is broadcasted asap. Would that reduce the excitement? Nope. Yeah I mean the funny thing is that TL could easily say that this was being played live and nobody would know the difference. But mention "replays" and all of a sudden some kids raise all sorts of irrational objections.
It's merely the vocal minority that like to complain. People have this sense of entitlement that makes them think they better than they are.
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On September 19 2010 06:03 JWD wrote:
So is DJWheat getting paid by GOM or something?
why the hate?
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On September 19 2010 06:05 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
It amuses me how many people think the HDH was cast live and not through replays as well. Only when its talked about does it suddenly become an issue.
People complained about it during HDH, too. It's just that now people don't really remember.
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On September 19 2010 06:03 JWD wrote:
So is DJWheat getting paid by GOM or something?
Probably just likes thinking his $20 was well-spent.
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