Polt goes vikings+marines+tanks. Polt puts early pressure on TOP, who went for helions and banshees. TOP switches to maras and tanks and breaks through the containment. The game goes into late game with lots of good and fail drops, tanks, vikings, maras, etc. from both sides.
Both players turtle and keep harassing each other with helions, DTs, and phoenixes. Maru goes for mass tanks, vikings and helions, while Zenith goes for mass stalkers, with a few robo units, DTs and a mothership.
i wish for cool to win. yet i also wish that he gets 5 rax reapered. then i wish he could stop it with a single thought. then i wish the terran just gg's right then and there in complete awe.
Awesome games today. Really looking forward to Cool! Always nice to see good Zergs play. Also, when are we going to start calling him "Fruitseller"? I mean, has he officially changed his name yet?
Inca's PvP was among the best I've seen so far. Let's hope he can keep that level. TOP & Polt where both good in RO64. Seems like a coin-flip to me, although TvT-predictions are far from my strongsuit.
Cool hwaiting! Please don't let today be as upsetting as yesterday
I hope that Cool advances through to the Ro16. I admittedly don't know anything about his Terran opponent, but I'm confident that our favourite Fruit Dealer's got some plans. I wouldn't be surprised if he even has a specific strategy for Lost Temple.
Match 2 and 3 I can't call, but I think that Match 4 should be a relatively easy win for Inca.
If you tune into the stream before it's officially open you can get stuff like this. Yesterday it was the Korean hosts just having a joke, quite fun. Makes a change from kpop anyway.
On September 16 2010 18:07 d_so wrote: k i dont play sc2 i dont really watch it either but im gonna give today's game a chance. No bw comparisons, nothing, just entertain me GSL
If you're only gonna watch one day then you should probably make it tomorrow. A lot of the tournament favourites are playing tomorrow night, should be better games than today.
So every time I log into Gomtv.net, it sends me to my profile page and logs me out whenever I go elsewhere. I have an account with HQ access but I can't stay logged in.
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I think artosis is wrong about that - it takes 3 marines to kill the gas steal faster than it builds. So 2 or 1 marine makes it worthwhile to cancel and rebuild.
Cool goes hatch > pool. Taeja goes for fast factory. Cool steals gas and starts speedling upgrade. Cool does the cancel extractor trick on Taeja's gas. First helion comes out. followed by a reaper. Queen's not up yet. Cool defends with drones. Most of them on red hp. Ling speed and queen comes and saves Cool. Harass over for now. Cool didn't lose much.
On September 16 2010 18:19 Ghazwan wrote: Queen's not up yet. Cool defends with drones. Most of them on red hp. Ling speed and queen comes and saves Cool. Harass over for now. Cool didn't lose much.
That's why he is so Cool. Me, I would totally "GG'ed" like a pro.
Interesting tactic from the Terran though, Hellion to roast so the reaper can 1-hit kill the lot of them.
Spire up for Cool. 7 Mutas queed. Taeja drops 3 marines and 1 tank on the cliff at Cool's natural. But, Cool kills them with mutas and goes on harassing with mutas. Taeja builds a turret on the cliff at Cool's natural. Cool keeps making mutas and keeps harassing, while getting banelings. He lost quite a few mutas to turrets. Tanks out for Taeja.
Mutalisks are so annoying O_o... giving the Terran player the* run around, goes to main with his flock n lings, bounces to the 3rd and soon after T GG's.
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Love watching the games with mutas all over the map, really a shame so few zergs left because ZvT and ZvP seem to produce the most interesting matches.
I loved cools usage of his slow banelings in game 1, using them to force the marines to stim and run back to kite, and during that time, the mutas swooped in and killed them and the tanks while taking very little damage.
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I am using Mozilla Firefox w/ the VLC view page source thing
On September 14 2010 18:10 dcemuser wrote: Guide tiem!
I hope that helps =D /cheers ! Viewing Page Source
1. Go to http://www.gomtv.net/2010gslopens1/live/ 2. Log in to your GOMTV account. You must do this now. 3. View Page Source 4. About 75% down the page source, you will see "<!-- Premium LIVE Start//-->" in green italics on the left. A little ways after that, you'll see the link. The one under the section "function LiveHQ()" is HQ. The one under the section "function Live()" is SQ. It will look like:
Additionally, ORLY on the TL.net forums here wrote a very awesome script for the Firefox addon called GreaseMonkey. Just download GreaseMonkey, and then go to http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/85762 and install the script.
Now, whenever you go to GOM's live page and are signed into your account, there will be stream links you can copy and paste.
On September 16 2010 18:12 silencefc wrote: So every time I log into Gomtv.net, it sends me to my profile page and logs me out whenever I go elsewhere. I have an account with HQ access but I can't stay logged in.
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im using chrome myself, working fine, the problem is in your machine
Even as good as Cool was, I know it will just be goddamn impressive when even better pros make it to SC2. Tasteless and Artosis have been saying this, but I realize now more than ever that it's true.
This game is so new. There is still so much room for radical change in strategy.
On September 16 2010 18:28 Lylat wrote: wtf aren't you supposed to do against that ? lol
Same thing as in Brood War(except much more cost effective and need many less), more turrets and good Marine control.
Yeah well you can't irradiate mutas here !
I think Hunter Seeker Missile is supposed to fill that role, but HSM is not very effective, it does hundred damage and forces you to pull the one targeted off, but even then mutas can outrun the HSM. I think the upgrade that makes the HSM last longer should increase its speed, it might see more play then.
On September 16 2010 18:37 Jochan wrote: 1200 gas for terran, he's so nervous.
Recurring problem with people in the RO64. For a lot of them it seems to be their first real tournament. I can imagine the first time in the "Booth" can be quite stressful.
On September 16 2010 18:37 Jochan wrote: 1200 gas for terran, he's so nervous.
Recurring problem with people in the RO64. For a lot of them it seems to be their first real tournament. I can imagine the first time in the "Booth" can be quite stressful.
This is common when a terran goes bio but not to this extent usually once they start pumping medivacs the gas reserve drops but he had a lot of gas even after making medivacs :/ So yeah he looked pretty nervous
The English commentator missed that Fruit Dealer hide 3 Banelings behind smoke and destroyed tons of SCVs when T came out to attack(That's why people applauded). I think they need more concentration on the minimap.
On September 16 2010 18:43 Blitzmarine wrote: The English commentator missed that Fruit Dealer hide 3 Baneling behind gas wall and destroyed tons of SCVs when T came out to attack. That's why people applauded.
On September 16 2010 18:43 Blitzmarine wrote: The English commentator missed that Fruit Dealer hide 3 Baneling behind gas wall and destroyed tons of SCVs when T came out to attack. That's why people applauded.
Unfortunate.
I think they should just set the camera to the Korean observer and go from there.... clearly they aren't doing a tolerable job if they miss something huge like that.
On September 16 2010 18:37 Jochan wrote: 1200 gas for terran, he's so nervous.
Recurring problem with people in the RO64. For a lot of them it seems to be their first real tournament. I can imagine the first time in the "Booth" can be quite stressful.
absolutely... he's just a kid, he have a camera in his head... isn't easy to play... And i couldn't believe the ammount of gas he had at a momment, he could just take scv's out of the gas!
On September 16 2010 18:43 Blitzmarine wrote: The English commentator missed that Fruit Dealer hide 3 Banelings behind smoke and destroyed tons of SCVs when T came out to attack(That's why people applauded). I think they need more concentration on the minimap.
No wonder he gg'd then, more awesome play by cool.
On September 16 2010 18:43 Blitzmarine wrote: The English commentator missed that Fruit Dealer hide 3 Baneling behind gas wall and destroyed tons of SCVs when T came out to attack. That's why people applauded.
Unfortunate.
I think they should just set the camera to the Korean observer and go from there.... clearly they aren't doing a tolerable job if they miss something huge like that.
Agree. They miss important stuff every single game
On September 16 2010 18:43 Blitzmarine wrote: The English commentator missed that Fruit Dealer hide 3 Baneling behind gas wall and destroyed tons of SCVs when T came out to attack. That's why people applauded.
Unfortunate.
I think they should just set the camera to the Korean observer and go from there.... clearly they aren't doing a tolerable job if they miss something huge like that.
I think they should just put auto camera on the Korean observer so Nick can focus on casting
On September 16 2010 18:43 Blitzmarine wrote: The English commentator missed that Fruit Dealer hide 3 Baneling behind gas wall and destroyed tons of SCVs when T came out to attack. That's why people applauded.
Unfortunate.
I think they should just set the camera to the Korean observer and go from there.... clearly they aren't doing a tolerable job if they miss something huge like that.
On September 16 2010 18:43 Blitzmarine wrote: The English commentator missed that Fruit Dealer hide 3 Banelings behind smoke and destroyed tons of SCVs when T came out to attack(That's why people applauded). I think they need more concentration on the minimap.
On September 16 2010 18:44 GTR wrote: I think they should just set the camera to the Korean observer and go from there.... clearly they aren't doing a tolerable job if they miss something huge like that.
maybe it's because it were the first two games, but artosis/tasteless are doing worse than yesterday - again showing stupid things like the buildings below metalopolis, talking about mengsk, explaining "again" that "good" map for zerg just means "balanced" map because each and every rige is pure imba by definition - it gets old
On September 16 2010 18:43 Blitzmarine wrote: The English commentator missed that Fruit Dealer hide 3 Baneling behind gas wall and destroyed tons of SCVs when T came out to attack. That's why people applauded.
Unfortunate.
I think they should just set the camera to the Korean observer and go from there.... clearly they aren't doing a tolerable job if they miss something huge like that.
yeah I don't understand why they don't use the korean observer. they have missed some key moments in another games too.
However, I think that it's just a BIT unfair for Artosis to ask Cool what other Zergs could do to improve, because I don't think that his opponent was of the same calibre as say, Lotze.
Still, I don't want to take anything away from Cool at all because he was pretty pimp. Even though it didn't work out, I really like that he at least tried to use burrow Baneling traps .
On September 16 2010 18:37 ondik wrote: oh my god this terran is TERRIBLE. who did he beat in ro64? T_T
nobody - opponent didn't show
but seriously, cool, tester, thestc etc. can really make you seem horrible even if you got some skill, it's crazy how one-sided their games are
oh that explains everything i guess. Well for example his hellion micro looked so rusty in comparison to -for example- TLO's. He could've won the first game easily having hellion+reaper (+1 more hellion and reaper coming) in cool's nat, or at least secure advantage big enough to win later.
On September 16 2010 18:28 klauz619 wrote: What's with every terran's hardon for mistimed small skirmishes vs muta/ling and getting smashed?
Just make marine/thor/tank and planetary fortress expand on gold.
Yeah, "every", that has to be reason why there is so many Zergs left in tournament, and almost none of Terrans...
Oh wait
Every successful terran against high level zerg so far either cheesed with 5rax reapers or did a powerful macro strat with thors.
Doing 1 base + hellion harass and bio skirmishes ends up with them losing to muta/ling and not really accomplishing anything. Watch every single tvz win and lose, notice the difference in strats.
On September 16 2010 18:44 klauz619 wrote: Terran doesn't even bother walling with a depot and he loves half hearted skirmishes (big nono vs zerg) and he expands very, very late.
I notice high tier terrans always expand early and fight zerg macro with equal terran macro (not this DURR HURR 1 base vs 3 base zerg).
?! This is so random. If you play mech what you say is right for obvious reasons, if you wanna stick to bio (which he did), the only way to keep up are those "half-hearted" skirmishes. If you leave him alone, you might as well just leave since you want to keep the drone and army count (esp zergling/baneling) down.
The skill difference between the two players wasn't that huge, Cool simply played strong (well, except losing 5-6 mutas and engaging with 7 banelings doing 0 damage for no reason).
On September 16 2010 18:51 d_so wrote: yo in the english cast do they have these really fruity/terrible graphics that come and announce the player names? wtf is this it's horrid
That is pretty much the best thing about the GSL so far. It's awesome
On September 16 2010 18:51 d_so wrote: yo in the english cast do they have these really fruity/terrible graphics that come and announce the player names? wtf is this it's horrid
That is pretty much the best thing about the GSL so far. It's awesome
On September 16 2010 18:51 d_so wrote: yo in the english cast do they have these really fruity/terrible graphics that come and announce the player names? wtf is this it's horrid
That is pretty much the best thing about the GSL so far. It's awesome
Sick timing by Polt, 2 vikings outside tops starport when the banshee pops, takes it out. Delays expo with vikings while taking his own, some siege tank marauder fights between nats.
Jesus they are missing the detail that polt prime had a command centre with full energy all the time just to kill the banshees. and they also missed the banshees of Top attacking the base and many other stuff...
honestly, do they even look the minimap ? just like to catch up for weird stuff going on in the map ? no need to actually stay focused on everything but at least PIN POINT that something is happening elsewhere...
I love tasteless so much but I have to say I'm a little tired of UH OH UH OH UH OH UH OH UH OH UH OH UH OH UH OH
btw am I strange for liking TvT? so many people seem to think it's boring, but there's some good action going on... drops, banshee harrass, there's such a huge variety of units... I think it's great. a lot more going on than ZvZ and probably PvP
On September 16 2010 18:50 Terrakin wrote: complain about obsing on gomtv forums, they do take feedback.
I feel sorry about being cause of these complains. I just thought that some people would wonder about the applaud and fast GG, so I just wanted to share some information. I'll consider more before posting something like this.
someone needs to make a map where you can take BW units with all their stat/s attributes intact and fight another player who has sc2 units. TvT in particular I think would be lots of fun. /random thought
On September 16 2010 19:04 d_so wrote: someone needs to make a map where you can take BW units with all their stat/s attributes intact and fight another player who has sc2 units. TvT in particular I think would be lots of fun. /random thought
On September 16 2010 18:50 Terrakin wrote: complain about obsing on gomtv forums, they do take feedback.
I feel sorry about being cause of these complains. I just thought that some people would wonder about the applaud and fast GG, so I just wanted to share some information. I'll consider more before posting something like this.
Again, sorry for disturbing this thread.
Your post was fine. He means also post on gomtv forums so they read it and fix it.
Wow that was really nice game, wonder how Top managed to macro that good while Polt was harrasing him..but yeah, Polt lost some of units a bit to reckless while doing early harass, tho it looked like it will pay off right there
Edit : oh looks like we missed some big fight where Top took lead and wiped Polt army...
That was a really close game, great comeback from Top, Polt seemed to do SO much damage in the early game, and delayed the expo for so long. But it does seem he has trouble in the late game, as he didn't seem to have a 3rd on the way, whereas Top did. I also really like DQ as a map.
On September 16 2010 19:11 PulseSUI wrote: Polt seems like a bit of a cheesy player. win early or his game falls apart. .. works against P or Z, but against T that does not work.
On September 16 2010 19:19 Drakan wrote: and tank + vikings wins...
PATCH 1.1 PLEASE COME FAST!!!
what makes you think that will change anything?
Yup. Nerf tank damage against light so I can kill them with my hellions!
Tanks are a crucial unit in TvT. It will always be that way (unless HotS has some weird new terran unit)
Polt lost the first game because he gave up too many units and especially gave up his air control. He lost his second game because his expo came up too late and he couldnt' deal with Top's timing push and follow up play.
On September 16 2010 19:27 waxypants wrote: So bm lol...
not really - it's a way of saying "accept your loss ffs".....I mean, there was just no way polt could ever come back from this, he had like 50 supply less the last 5-10 minutes or so
On September 16 2010 19:27 waxypants wrote: So bm lol...
not really - it's a way of saying "accept your loss ffs".....I mean, there was just no way polt could ever come back from this, he had like 50 supply less the last 5-10 minutes or so
Well Polt may not have necessarily known that? He was keeping up with TOP for the most part in the battles, and he was getting his gold. I think the reason he left was because he wasn't able to break the mini-contain and secure his gold.
On September 16 2010 19:19 Drakan wrote: and tank + vikings wins...
PATCH 1.1 PLEASE COME FAST!!!
Tank + viking + marauder + medivac + ghost + mule. The only difference the patch will make is that some of the marauders will be replaced by marines. It's not like games are suddenly going to be totally different in 1.1.
On September 16 2010 19:28 DoXa wrote: what a badmannered guy. lost my respect, even if he played well
As Coach Ha would have said "He had poor GG timing" I mean at high level games usually staying in the game like that is more BM than your opponent doing stuff like that.
The guy expanded to the entire map taking the 3rd natural other Terran kept playing, when you know you've won and the other guy won't leave why shouldn't you just mess with them?
On September 16 2010 19:28 DoXa wrote: what a badmannered guy. lost my respect, even if he played well
As Coach Ha would have said "He had poor GG timing" I mean at high level games usually staying in the game like that is more BM than your opponent doing stuff like that.
On September 16 2010 19:28 DoXa wrote: what a badmannered guy. lost my respect, even if he played well
As Coach Ha would have said "He had poor GG timing" I mean at high level games usually staying in the game like that is more BM than your opponent doing stuff like that.
Polt won a battle right before that, but was then pushed back by the reinforcements. i don't know if he knew that top was mining out of this goldexpansion for so long...
SC2 is the only game/community I've seen where people actually get upset with people toying and messing with opponents. I was perfectly fine with what he did and I thought it was hilarious.
On September 16 2010 19:32 Dionyseus wrote: In his interview Top confirms that he's doing the mule drops as revenge against Prime for eliminating his friend.
On September 16 2010 19:19 Drakan wrote: and tank + vikings wins...
PATCH 1.1 PLEASE COME FAST!!!
what makes you think that will change anything?
the fact that tanks need 2 shots to kill 1 marine ?
Yeah, but 2 tanks will still kill like 30 marines no sweat.
Well, maybe it'l take a third tank. You get the idea.
Yeah but 30 marines can split in 2 armies of 15 no sweat.
and what about early timed marine pushes when there can ONLY be 1 sieged tank ? I'm talking about early game harras. 1 tank won't hold many many stuff that can be donde with early marines/marauders/scv pushes.
On September 16 2010 19:38 SolC361 wrote: Man, Maru is just so cute >__<...can't feel too bad for him taking out CellaWerra, even though I'm a big fan.
On September 16 2010 19:32 Shatter wrote: How can someone not like ingame BM?
Exactly, this is so funny.
Funny if Koreans do it, QQ if idra does it.
Yeah.
Calling mules and nuking is wayyyyyyyyy different than calling your opponent trash and the like.
Then don't categorize them as the same thing.
Actually I love trash talking too, not that I would do that, but it's funny to see and I guess I'm far more used to it (because I played WoW and in PvP almost everyone was bm all the time).
On September 16 2010 19:32 Dionyseus wrote: In his interview Top confirms that he's doing the mule drops as revenge against Prime for eliminating his friend.
+1 brospect.
Yeah, that's awesome actually TOP: "You have killed my brother, I will have my blood vengeance and humiliate you thoroughly. Glad to see TL sided with these guys
well, he's going phoenix rofl... and fexpa on gold, how cools is that for a new opening vs terran ?
but yeah... i was expecting to see an early push with 1 marine 2 marauders and see what happens, that would have messed the plans of getting a gold expansion....but maru went for tank / marine, then vikings to kill phoenix...
As soon as that gold expansion start to produce there are going to be proxy pylons everywhere lol
Maru has taken his 3rd now, and terran does seem to be relatively effective on fewer bases than other races, so I think tales of Maru's demise are premature at this point.
1 raven would have saved his life... 2 dts and 1 mommaship stopping his whole tanks/viking/hellions army to move forward and punish that protoss base was kinda silly.
maru is a pretty annoying player to watch. doesnt do anything interesting, gets outstrategized, GGs before a single big battle happens, i mean this is just not good entertainment
Not really impressed by either of these players, Maru is crazy passive and has stimmed at two really really useless points. Zenith meanwhile pinned him back and still isn't taking his third, gamesense plz.
Was pretty good protoss play, surprised he did not go the blinkstyle into main earlier, his ground army was stalker heavy all the way. And he took his third a bit late for my taste, but damn good pressure. The baby was a bit passive in both games.
On September 16 2010 20:19 wikid wrote: Like the Interviews but I think Artosis should look the player in the eye and not into the camera when he thanks him and says good luck.
+1, it's so awkward when the player bow and artosis ignores him :o
He had like 3 minutes window to 1-shot the probes in incas base using the colossus, also his immortal was afking and it should have destroyed the nexus easily in the time.
Wow, that's a sick Cannon rush. Trap him in his base with Pylons so he can't get out to hit the Cannons...it may be cheese, but it's very well thought out cheese.
On September 16 2010 20:39 FuRong wrote: Wow, that's a sick Cannon rush. Trap him in his base with Pylons so he can't get out to hit the Cannons...it may be cheese, but it's very well thought out cheese.
Was it Tester's build? The one he used against Idra?
On September 16 2010 20:42 Alpina wrote: I am wondering how can you defend such canon rush with pylon contain..?
Obviously the whole cheese is based on not building anything in your base and panicking the other player into going 2gate. The easiest way to hold this is just playing normally and building the Cyber Core so you can pop the probe with the stalker.
Pylon contain seems extremely strong on PvP on metalopolis. Those cannons can hit anything below the nexus, I don't think that's possible on other maps. Otherwise stalkers would just kill the pylon wall at the ramp and you'd be ok since he wasted like 6-700 minerals on cannon rushing you.
EDIT: Actually he would have been fine if he had made a cyber core instead of the second gateway. Once the probe dies you can pick off the cannons from the high ground due to no vision of the base. Kind of hard to do if you don't see the forge since you would naturally assume proxy gates when scouting an empty base.
I love Inca because he knows every cheese in the book but more importantly he knows how to mix it up with super solid standard play so no matter what he does he is always keeping his opponent guessing. Trademarks of a great player.
On September 16 2010 20:42 Alpina wrote: I am wondering how can you defend such canon rush with pylon contain..?
I can only think of killing the scouting probe asap, if you can, then possibly reverse proxy something in their main? Cos Zandarke had a probe in Inca's main although that'd take a long time hmmm
This cannon rush was done by nexgenius a while back. A korean friend of mine showed it to me and we practiced it quite a bit and it's almost impossible to stop if you don't know it's coming. I've only done it on ladder once or twice because I really didn't want it to spread.
Ladder is going to suck now
It only really works 100% on Metalopolis and Xel Naga caverns
edit: I did this in a wolf cup a few weeks back and got called a noob for cannon rushing
On September 16 2010 20:41 Firkraag8 wrote: InCa cannon rushes, you applause. DAVIT bunker rushes, he's the worst player ever and you boo.
OK?
personally i like davit play but the reason people react this way is because everybody does what davit does while inca did soemthing that is original in pvp.
mind you, i don't dislike "cheese" at all i think it's all a part of the game and it's exciting to watch, i just think it's pretty bad double moral, hating one player for cheese but not another. that's all.
On September 16 2010 20:42 Alpina wrote: I am wondering how can you defend such canon rush with pylon contain..?
Obviously the whole cheese is based on not building anything in your base and panicking the other player into going 2gate. The easiest way to hold this is just playing normally and building the Cyber Core so you can pop the probe with the stalker.
The problem with this is you won't know if it's a 2gate or canon rush leaving you in a blank untill you get contained which is why this is such a well thought cheese build by Inca. If you go for stalkers the 2gate will crush you anyways by just outmacro'ing you. By going 2gate to counter the 2gate then you will be very vulnerable to canons.
The best possible way is to actually kill the probe and after that the pylon in the base. But by the time you are able to do that you'll take quite some losses but if u haven't lost too many units to this then you're ahead in tech else you're even or far behind.
On September 16 2010 20:47 GTR wrote: and once again stream dies when they are doing the last interview =[
You have to fast forward till you're realy live as soon as you start the stream.
Yup. Worked fine for me.
Inca responded that he wouldn't have done it if he hadn't won the first game. He only did it because the first game was such a long hard win and he was fairly exhausted from the match.
On September 16 2010 20:42 Alpina wrote: I am wondering how can you defend such canon rush with pylon contain..?
Obviously the whole cheese is based on not building anything in your base and panicking the other player into going 2gate. The easiest way to hold this is just playing normally and building the Cyber Core so you can pop the probe with the stalker.
The problem with this is you won't know if it's a 2gate or canon rush leaving you in a blank untill you get contained which is why this is such a well thought cheese build by Inca. If you go for stalkers the 2gate will crush you anyways by just outmacro'ing you. By going 2gate to counter the 2gate then you will be very vulnerable to canons.
The best possible way is to actually kill the probe and after that the pylon in the base. But by the time you are able to do that you'll take quite some losses but if u haven't lost too many units to this then you're ahead in tech else you're even or far behind.
Such a well thought cheese build lol.
it all came down to micro in that fight. if i'm not wrong the probe was only 1 attack away from getting killed which would have changed the tide completely
On September 16 2010 20:50 ondik wrote: so what did he say?
This is paraphrasing. 2nd question: Why did you cannon rush on the 2nd map?
A: I hadn't planned on cannon rushing if I had won easily on the first map. But because it was such a close game and I had kind of a hard time, I figured I would just go for an easy win and cannon rush.
Anyone know the song that they are playing as they sign off? Not the Robert Miles one, but one at the very end...right as the break starts before the interview.
On September 16 2010 20:52 Khaymus wrote: Anyone know the song that they are playing as they sign off? Not the Robert Miles one, but one at the very end...right as the break starts before the interview.
On September 16 2010 20:52 Khaymus wrote: Anyone know the song that they are playing as they sign off? Not the Robert Miles one, but one at the very end...right as the break starts before the interview.
On September 16 2010 20:42 Alpina wrote: I am wondering how can you defend such canon rush with pylon contain..?
Obviously the whole cheese is based on not building anything in your base and panicking the other player into going 2gate. The easiest way to hold this is just playing normally and building the Cyber Core so you can pop the probe with the stalker.
The problem with this is you won't know if it's a 2gate or canon rush leaving you in a blank untill you get contained which is why this is such a well thought cheese build by Inca. If you go for stalkers the 2gate will crush you anyways by just outmacro'ing you. By going 2gate to counter the 2gate then you will be very vulnerable to canons.
The best possible way is to actually kill the probe and after that the pylon in the base. But by the time you are able to do that you'll take quite some losses but if u haven't lost too many units to this then you're ahead in tech else you're even or far behind.
Such a well thought cheese build lol.
it all came down to micro in that fight. if i'm not wrong the probe was only 1 attack away from getting killed which would have changed the tide completely
yea like I said kill the probe first then the rest. But seeing he was able to have vision already on the base due to a pylon being warped in he could have just run aroudn the base with his pylon and let his canons do the rest for a while and make pylons if his vision of the base is goign to get away. A probe still outruns a zealot by a tiny margin (without queuing waypoints).
On September 16 2010 20:42 Alpina wrote: I am wondering how can you defend such canon rush with pylon contain..?
Obviously the whole cheese is based on not building anything in your base and panicking the other player into going 2gate. The easiest way to hold this is just playing normally and building the Cyber Core so you can pop the probe with the stalker.
The problem with this is you won't know if it's a 2gate or canon rush leaving you in a blank untill you get contained which is why this is such a well thought cheese build by Inca. If you go for stalkers the 2gate will crush you anyways by just outmacro'ing you. By going 2gate to counter the 2gate then you will be very vulnerable to canons.
The best possible way is to actually kill the probe and after that the pylon in the base. But by the time you are able to do that you'll take quite some losses but if u haven't lost too many units to this then you're ahead in tech else you're even or far behind.
Such a well thought cheese build lol.
it all came down to micro in that fight. if i'm not wrong the probe was only 1 attack away from getting killed which would have changed the tide completely
Nah, at the point where the probe was at 5 hp it was already over. He had 2 cannons on the low ground and his pylon on the high ground was over 50% complete, giving vision of the high ground EVEN if the probe died.
He needed to kill it before it placed buildings on the high ground.
the sickest part about that cheese, is he relied on the mistakes spent by his opponent to gate his own ramp. Now that, that's next level shit right there.
Brilliant play by Inca although ZanDarke was lacking somewhat. Can't really blame him on game 2 though.
Cannon rushes are pretty hard to stop in PvP if you're not expecting it, especially on a cannon friendly 4 player map like Metalopolis. Have you people who for some reason assume no Platinum+ players lose to cannon rush even been cannon rushed by a good player? -_-
Inca had a recent history of triple proxy gating in Ro64, that surely had an effect on ZanDarke since 2 gate would be the right response if it were proxy gates but lose vs a cannon rush, especially such a well executed one.
Inca has a knack for creating exciting games, awesome player even though I despise PvP.
Guess u all toss players - playing pvp in this map - u gotta' let a probe at your entrance - at the bottom of the ramp from now on ... just in case - not to get pylon blocked and see what the heck's going on
On September 16 2010 20:42 Alpina wrote: I am wondering how can you defend such canon rush with pylon contain..?
I can only think of killing the scouting probe asap, if you can, then possibly reverse proxy something in their main? Cos Zandarke had a probe in Inca's main although that'd take a long time hmmm
I think if this sort of cannon rush becomes more standard, the counter would be to put a patroling probe at the bottom of your ramp like zerg players do until you figure out exactly what was proxied.
On September 16 2010 21:18 Sqq wrote: fuck i overslept for today. Are the vods the only way to see it, and are they worth paying for judging by today ?
An owning Z v T - maybe see the first match to get an ideea , a nice spark in a T v T game; last game - some nice cheese technique - i've never seen before , but ... otherwise , if u r not playing toss .... no
On September 16 2010 21:18 Sqq wrote: fuck i overslept for today. Are the vods the only way to see it, and are they worth paying for judging by today ?
Inca's games were exciting like the ro64 matches. Insane and insane comebacks which was imageinable at the time. Furthermore 2nd game was very creative using cannon rush strat mixing in 2 cheeses to a new innovative one. The others were okay in my opinion
But I would just pay just for games that are near or better like Inca's games.
On September 16 2010 20:42 Alpina wrote: I am wondering how can you defend such canon rush with pylon contain..?
Probe at the ramp.
In quite a few of the ZvP VOD's I've seen in the last few days, people are parking a drone at the bottom of their ramp as part of their standard BO. Every ZvP I've seen of JulyZerg he seems to do this... I guess we'll see more of this play.
On September 16 2010 20:42 Alpina wrote: I am wondering how can you defend such canon rush with pylon contain..?
Probe at the ramp.
In quite a few of the ZvP VOD's I've seen in the last few days, people are parking a drone at the bottom of their ramp as part of their standard BO. Every ZvP I've seen of JulyZerg he seems to do this... I guess we'll see more of this play.
On September 16 2010 21:58 Beany wrote: Will the replay of Inca's 2nd game be availble anywhere for free? I really wanna see this new famous cheese. On YouTube perhaps?
I tried looking on GomTV.com for the Korean version, but I can't even follow the links, cause I can't understand Hongul. The Korean casted Vod should be free though, hopefully someone can link it, you don't need to hear this one casted, it's sick and quick enough to just watch. So if anyone can link the Korean vod, I'd appreciate.
On September 16 2010 22:19 pyro19 wrote: WTF happened with Polt.Prime?
He was Fucking scary against Iron?
tbh Top was scary in RO64 too, he didn't make a single mistake in those games and today he proved he is a contender for the Top spot and i love his manner mules :D
On September 16 2010 20:42 Alpina wrote: I am wondering how can you defend such canon rush with pylon contain..?
Probe at the ramp.
In quite a few of the ZvP VOD's I've seen in the last few days, people are parking a drone at the bottom of their ramp as part of their standard BO. Every ZvP I've seen of JulyZerg he seems to do this... I guess we'll see more of this play.
Where do you see JulyZerg reps?
If you search FantaPrime on youtube, you should be able to find a bunch of games. I'm at work now, but if you want I can check my youtube subscriptions when I get home for the names of the channels. I think it was some channel with "hydra" in the name? I know the guy also posts on TL but sadly don't remember his user ID...
Anyways, you could probably find a bunch of replay by searching FantaPrime on TL
There's a guy on the US server named Errror who does that cannon rush every time on Metalopolis perfectly. He was the one who created it, it seems. He's pretty good at it too. He has a 90% PvP win rate on that map. It's very hard to stop if you are not suspecting it.
On September 16 2010 23:57 Renaissance wrote: There's a guy on the US server named Errror who does that cannon rush every time on Metalopolis perfectly. He was the one who created it, it seems. He's pretty good at it too. He has a 90% PvP win rate on that map. It's very hard to stop if you are not suspecting it.
finally someone used burrowed banes. I've been using them in all my zvts and they are so ridiculously strong. Watch from the moment cool got burrow how many times he could have fucked the terran over with them.
Cool is going to take this gsl down now that my favorite player is out
Being a zerg player who has had to patrol a drone at bottom of ramp for some time now, I think it is highly amusing that Protoss will have to do it now on meta XD
On September 16 2010 23:57 Renaissance wrote: There's a guy on the US server named Errror who does that cannon rush every time on Metalopolis perfectly. He was the one who created it, it seems. He's pretty good at it too. He has a 90% PvP win rate on that map. It's very hard to stop if you are not suspecting it.
This is not true.
Like I said earlier, NeXgenius did this strat over a month ago. I used it 3 weeks ago in the open wolf cup. I could have easily just left out the nexgenius part and claimed that I created it as well, but I didn't and neither did Errror.
I'm really enjoying watching SanZenith play. He looks to be a very solid player, while maybe not at the level of tester, is very disciplined in his approach to the game.
I was trying to find an appropriate thread for this but I guess this one have to do:
After watching the English GSL stream and VODs, I struck me how good of a caster Artosis is. His knowledge about the game is flawless and overall his casting is top notch. When the news came of him casting with Tasteless (I really like Tasteless casting aswell) I thought he would act like he does in his posts here and his videos and bitch about imbalance, but instead the English casts with him really impressed me. He is by far the best caster I have ever heard and he should get more props for this.
On September 16 2010 23:57 Renaissance wrote: There's a guy on the US server named Errror who does that cannon rush every time on Metalopolis perfectly. He was the one who created it, it seems. He's pretty good at it too. He has a 90% PvP win rate on that map. It's very hard to stop if you are not suspecting it.
This is not true.
Like I said earlier, NeXgenius did this strat over a month ago. I used it 3 weeks ago in the open wolf cup. I could have easily just left out the nexgenius part and claimed that I created it as well, but I didn't and neither did Errror.
i doubt nexgenius created it either. Just like dimaga didnt invent baneling busts he just perfected em.
is there anyway someone could show tasteless how to have his screen follow a unit as it moves instead of scrolling to keep up with a moving army? much smoother than watching him click around
The Inca cannon rush game can be found here: http://ch.gomtv.com/427/28024/384646/4 however i get some error when i try to play it, which is in korean or chinese so, dunno:D But thats the link atleast. Youtube here
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