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TheDna
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany577 Posts
September 09 2010 12:58 GMT
#521
Mass Stalker > Roach Hydra with some speedlings it seems.
What else can you say. I prefer ZvT where Z can actually win if he knows what terran is building
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
September 09 2010 13:04 GMT
#522
On September 09 2010 21:07 dRaW wrote:
I thought Idra said that ZvP was the most balanced match-up?

This was popular belief because everyone was complaining T is imbalanced, so people are like "phew, at least zvp is balanced"
I think idra said like:
"I'm really not comfortable ZvP right now" at some point, and I think mentioned that everyone ignores ZvP because ZvT is so bad.

Reserving judgment myself, but that's a top zerg's opinion and it looks like dimaga isn't that comfortable ZvP either if he does so many all-in's.
DarKFoRcE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1215 Posts
September 09 2010 13:20 GMT
#523
ZvP is WAY harder than ZvT in my opinion... and i think most good zerg players will agree.
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Back
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada505 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-09 13:43:12
September 09 2010 13:26 GMT
#524
Great showmatch, thank you very much.

I don't know why you are so hesitant to plug your sponsor. If it was an outside company you'd be praising their name all cast, right? Go nuts!

"This probe is brought to you by the GosuGuide."


Also, a lot of people seem to be confusing Idra with his rational, smart, level-headed alter-go "Interview Idra"

Interview Idra: "the biggest problem I have at the moment with zvp is that it feels you either choose a safe build, to defend zealot pressure, and then are way behind vs a hard 2 base collosus push, or you choose an economic build that puts you on an even footing midgame, but is very vulnerable to early zealots."

Idra: GNARRRFUUUUUUUUURAAAAAAAAAAAblerggargGRRRRRRRR.
RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
September 09 2010 13:29 GMT
#525
kiwikakis blink micro was amazing that final game...
I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. | coL.Ryan | www.twitter.com/coL_RyanR
SUGGY
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada224 Posts
September 09 2010 13:40 GMT
#526
idra is the type of person that scouts you are going gateway collosi, then continues to mass hydras and a + move into your army. then he ll flame you. anyways... gg kiwi + dimaga.

playing dimaga in a bo7 is a scary thing... who the hell 6pools on meta? really hard to deal with when you find out he's crossmap lol. can never know what is going on in his mind
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Cranberries
Profile Joined July 2010
Wales567 Posts
September 09 2010 13:42 GMT
#527
On September 09 2010 22:40 SUGGY wrote:
idra is the type of person that scouts you are going gateway collosi, then continues to mass hydras and a + move into your army. then he ll flame you. anyways... gg kiwi + dimaga.

playing dimaga in a bo7 is a scary thing... who the hell 6pools on meta? really hard to deal with when you find out he's crossmap lol. can never know what is going on in his mind


You thought these games showed any resemblance of balance?

It seriously balanced when Dimaga playing on Scrap Station, on 2 bases, against a mined out Kiwikaki and it still took him 5~ minutes to beat him.
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
September 09 2010 13:45 GMT
#528
what were the results anyway?
Grubby and Ret fan, but a TERRAN player :D
SUGGY
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada224 Posts
September 09 2010 13:45 GMT
#529
On September 09 2010 22:42 Cranberries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2010 22:40 SUGGY wrote:
idra is the type of person that scouts you are going gateway collosi, then continues to mass hydras and a + move into your army. then he ll flame you. anyways... gg kiwi + dimaga.

playing dimaga in a bo7 is a scary thing... who the hell 6pools on meta? really hard to deal with when you find out he's crossmap lol. can never know what is going on in his mind


You thought these games showed any resemblance of balance?

It seriously balanced when Dimaga playing on Scrap Station, on 2 bases, against a mined out Kiwikaki and it still took him 5~ minutes to beat him.



fortunantly this is a game of counters not brainless keymashing. kiwi went collosi v hydra. dimaga couldn't roll him over until he got corrupters. dimaga did the right thing by waiting until he had corrupters, he was just delying kiwis expo by defending the creep over the minerals.

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Agh
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1037 Posts
September 09 2010 14:12 GMT
#530
qq I missed all the flame wars ?


Idra if you took the time to expand your game you'd be better off instead of thinking you can 1a2a to victory. You always bash on war3 players yet your micro consists of a-moving into armies (that usually have some form of aoe) and sometimes running zerglings by to surround.

You scout well, yet you lose countless games due to not changing what units you are producing. And just a side note, Kiwis play in general has been far more impressive than Dimagas in general so far in sc2.
I may appear to be an emotionless sarcastic pos, but just like an onion when you pull off more and more layers you find the exact same thing everytime and you start crying
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
September 09 2010 14:13 GMT
#531
--- Nuked ---
HalfAmazing
Profile Joined May 2008
Netherlands402 Posts
September 09 2010 14:14 GMT
#532
On September 09 2010 22:42 Cranberries wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2010 22:40 SUGGY wrote:
idra is the type of person that scouts you are going gateway collosi, then continues to mass hydras and a + move into your army. then he ll flame you. anyways... gg kiwi + dimaga.

playing dimaga in a bo7 is a scary thing... who the hell 6pools on meta? really hard to deal with when you find out he's crossmap lol. can never know what is going on in his mind


You thought these games showed any resemblance of balance?

It seriously balanced when Dimaga playing on Scrap Station, on 2 bases, against a mined out Kiwikaki and it still took him 5~ minutes to beat him.


YOU ARE A 100% CONFIRMED MAP HACKER. YOUR OPINION IS VOID. PLEASE LEAVE.
You can figure out the other half.
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
September 09 2010 14:16 GMT
#533
On September 09 2010 22:45 SUGGY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2010 22:42 Cranberries wrote:
On September 09 2010 22:40 SUGGY wrote:
idra is the type of person that scouts you are going gateway collosi, then continues to mass hydras and a + move into your army. then he ll flame you. anyways... gg kiwi + dimaga.

playing dimaga in a bo7 is a scary thing... who the hell 6pools on meta? really hard to deal with when you find out he's crossmap lol. can never know what is going on in his mind


You thought these games showed any resemblance of balance?

It seriously balanced when Dimaga playing on Scrap Station, on 2 bases, against a mined out Kiwikaki and it still took him 5~ minutes to beat him.



fortunantly this is a game of counters not brainless keymashing. kiwi went collosi v hydra. dimaga couldn't roll him over until he got corrupters. dimaga did the right thing by waiting until he had corrupters, he was just delying kiwis expo by defending the creep over the minerals.



lol, mass stalker with brainless micro. I do agree he did the smart thing on scrap, but seriously, if it was zerg in that position, kiwi could walk all over him with a few zealots. And that is the point, it take ages for zerg to really punish someone if they do something wrong.

You can sum up how gay zerg is with: Narrow shitty map with tons of melee units trying to fit in. Hydras suck balls off creep
Lann555
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands5173 Posts
September 09 2010 14:22 GMT
#534
As always, when Zergs lose the endless QQ'ing starts. All I have to say is that I had a good time watching the games and the quality of stream + commentary had very high quality.

Keep it up!
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Gunman_csz
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United Arab Emirates492 Posts
September 09 2010 14:23 GMT
#535
On September 09 2010 22:40 SUGGY wrote:
idra is the type of person that scouts you are going gateway collosi, then continues to mass hydras and a + move into your army. then he ll flame you. anyways... gg kiwi + dimaga.

playing dimaga in a bo7 is a scary thing... who the hell 6pools on meta? really hard to deal with when you find out he's crossmap lol. can never know what is going on in his mind


Wow Suggy really nice for showing us how easy it is to play at idrA's level, and how stupid IdrA really his for not knowing how to play the zerg race with his 12+hours a day schedule and 200+ sc2 apm..

So simple and idiotic these players are (Dimaga, Idra, Darkforce) for not learning from you. I will pm this suggestion to them.

It was close games, and Kiwi has really awesome micro skills.
Began Starcraft journey on 5th May 2009
HalfAmazing
Profile Joined May 2008
Netherlands402 Posts
September 09 2010 14:24 GMT
#536
I've played KiwiKaki a number of times on the EU ladder. I play Terran so he whined about imbalance, but he's not a tremendously impressive player. This game has a tendency to reward the player with the worst mechanics too often. This applies to Terran and Protoss (Zerg is a little more demanding), but Protoss specifically. I think the race is designed to be played badly. There is essentially no macro required, and one-base play is too effective. There's also too much of "gotcha" factor with lame hidden tech structures and/or gateways. In my mind there is no doubt DIMAGA is the more skilled player, and IdrA has a point. Terran may be imbalanced, but Protoss is definitely the noob race.
You can figure out the other half.
tosS.ita
Profile Joined May 2010
Italy523 Posts
September 09 2010 14:26 GMT
#537
nice match!!
aka: [Lw]Tropper, tosS[Lw], aiC)tosS, 88han-tosS
RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
September 09 2010 14:47 GMT
#538
On September 09 2010 23:16 crappen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2010 22:45 SUGGY wrote:
On September 09 2010 22:42 Cranberries wrote:
On September 09 2010 22:40 SUGGY wrote:
idra is the type of person that scouts you are going gateway collosi, then continues to mass hydras and a + move into your army. then he ll flame you. anyways... gg kiwi + dimaga.

playing dimaga in a bo7 is a scary thing... who the hell 6pools on meta? really hard to deal with when you find out he's crossmap lol. can never know what is going on in his mind


You thought these games showed any resemblance of balance?

It seriously balanced when Dimaga playing on Scrap Station, on 2 bases, against a mined out Kiwikaki and it still took him 5~ minutes to beat him.



fortunantly this is a game of counters not brainless keymashing. kiwi went collosi v hydra. dimaga couldn't roll him over until he got corrupters. dimaga did the right thing by waiting until he had corrupters, he was just delying kiwis expo by defending the creep over the minerals.



lol, mass stalker with brainless micro. I do agree he did the smart thing on scrap, but seriously, if it was zerg in that position, kiwi could walk all over him with a few zealots. And that is the point, it take ages for zerg to really punish someone if they do something wrong.

You can sum up how gay zerg is with: Narrow shitty map with tons of melee units trying to fit in. Hydras suck balls off creep



how can u say it was brainless micro? on xel naga he was outfooded but blinked brillianty like eveyr weak stalker... if he hadnt have donet hat he woulda lost
I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. | coL.Ryan | www.twitter.com/coL_RyanR
esKq
Profile Joined April 2010
France134 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-09 15:42:16
September 09 2010 15:37 GMT
#539
On September 09 2010 23:47 RyanRushia wrote:
how can u say it was brainless micro? on xel naga he was outfooded but blinked brillianty like eveyr weak stalker... if he hadnt have donet hat he woulda lost


On large scale fight it's not that hard, the concave was big though.
It wasn't easy to do it flawlessly but it's not such a amazing move from him, Z couldn't compete with his hydras that the sad part :/
IdrA : "I don't play Terran coz I have self respect"
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
September 09 2010 16:54 GMT
#540
On September 09 2010 23:14 HalfAmazing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2010 22:42 Cranberries wrote:
On September 09 2010 22:40 SUGGY wrote:
idra is the type of person that scouts you are going gateway collosi, then continues to mass hydras and a + move into your army. then he ll flame you. anyways... gg kiwi + dimaga.

playing dimaga in a bo7 is a scary thing... who the hell 6pools on meta? really hard to deal with when you find out he's crossmap lol. can never know what is going on in his mind


You thought these games showed any resemblance of balance?

It seriously balanced when Dimaga playing on Scrap Station, on 2 bases, against a mined out Kiwikaki and it still took him 5~ minutes to beat him.


YOU ARE A 100% CONFIRMED MAP HACKER. YOUR OPINION IS VOID. PLEASE LEAVE.


i also have replays proving he is a hacker, can someone ban this troll?
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