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Demi9OD
Profile Joined January 2008
United States56 Posts
September 09 2010 17:48 GMT
#541
Are roaches really more cost effective tanks than zerglings against mass stalkers? Sure game 6 showed some nice borrow micro that allowed the roaches to be effective but swapping all those roach larva for lings in game 7 and flanking with half of them would have denied the blink micro and at the very least forced Kiwi back on the defensive till Dimaga's tier 3 came online. Forcefields would block lings more than roaches, but the roach dps is pitiful even when they are in range, and the main point of all non hydra units in that comp is tanking, not damage.
Wear your water wings in case nada floods us with gosu
Aquafresh
Profile Joined May 2007
United States824 Posts
September 09 2010 17:49 GMT
#542
Hmmm. First HuK then Silver, then Drewbie, now KiwiKaki... Is canada the new Europe as far as IdrA hate is concerned?
Warlion
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada41 Posts
September 09 2010 19:37 GMT
#543
just about to finish uploading all the games from this action packed series.

feel free to check it out everyone .

and as always, if you dont like commentary, just mute me, im cool with that.

here is my channel link just incase:

http://www.youtube.com/user/WarlionProductions

p.s. @aquafresh - what can i tell you bro, us canadians just rule at protoss play! first huk, then kiwikaki... and now warlion (ya thats it)..... . . .

User was temp banned for this post.
http://www.youtube.com/user/WarlionProductions
Scoop
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland482 Posts
September 09 2010 19:39 GMT
#544
On September 09 2010 21:58 TheDna wrote:
Mass Stalker > Roach Hydra with some speedlings it seems.
What else can you say. I prefer ZvT where Z can actually win if he knows what terran is building


Does that smily just say you're trolling? I'm not sure.

Anyway, mass stalker with +2 attack, +1 armor and better positioning, guardian shield on half of them, nice force fields and blink micro > +1 attack roach+hydra. If the latter wasn't true this game would be total garbage.
RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
September 09 2010 19:43 GMT
#545
canada is totally pulling strong in terms of top-class players
I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. | coL.Ryan | www.twitter.com/coL_RyanR
Warlion
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada41 Posts
September 09 2010 19:46 GMT
#546
On September 10 2010 04:43 RyanRushia wrote:
canada is totally pulling strong in terms of top-class players


It only makes sense as Canada = sexy country
http://www.youtube.com/user/WarlionProductions
monx
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1400 Posts
September 09 2010 20:26 GMT
#547
It's only because SC2 and watching/playing hockey is the only things we can do in our spare time.
@ggmonx
iSTime
Profile Joined November 2006
1579 Posts
September 09 2010 20:56 GMT
#548
On September 10 2010 00:37 esKq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2010 23:47 RyanRushia wrote:
how can u say it was brainless micro? on xel naga he was outfooded but blinked brillianty like eveyr weak stalker... if he hadnt have donet hat he woulda lost


On large scale fight it's not that hard, the concave was big though.
It wasn't easy to do it flawlessly but it's not such a amazing move from him, Z couldn't compete with his hydras that the sad part :/


I'd love to see anyone at less than kiwikaki's level replicate the same micro. The mass blink stalker heavy army is a very popular style by players like NEXGenius and a few other koreans, and yet I've never seen a single one of them ever micro their blink stalkers half as well as kiwikaki does.
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TheDna
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany577 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-09 21:20:32
September 09 2010 21:04 GMT
#549
On September 10 2010 04:39 Scoop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2010 21:58 TheDna wrote:
Mass Stalker > Roach Hydra with some speedlings it seems.
What else can you say. I prefer ZvT where Z can actually win if he knows what terran is building


Does that smily just say you're trolling? I'm not sure.

Anyway, mass stalker with +2 attack, +1 armor and better positioning, guardian shield on half of them, nice force fields and blink micro > +1 attack roach+hydra. If the latter wasn't true this game would be total garbage.


Nope. Its my honest opinion. Being zerg myself i m doing much better vs Terran.

I have literally no idea how Z wins vs P. I guess the only counter lategame vs an army with colossus and few immortals are ultras and broodlords and its really hard to ever reach that kind of tech.
I hate corrupters vs colossus because they are so useless when P does the tech switch.
However as we saw you can also mass stalekr and win vs zerg. I dont like the matchup at all and it looks like it will take ages for blizz to fix this.
Maybe the +5s Zealot build time will help a bit but i m really not sure if it will fix all issues. My guess is it doesn't.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
September 09 2010 21:13 GMT
#550
On September 10 2010 05:56 PJA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 00:37 esKq wrote:
On September 09 2010 23:47 RyanRushia wrote:
how can u say it was brainless micro? on xel naga he was outfooded but blinked brillianty like eveyr weak stalker... if he hadnt have donet hat he woulda lost


On large scale fight it's not that hard, the concave was big though.
It wasn't easy to do it flawlessly but it's not such a amazing move from him, Z couldn't compete with his hydras that the sad part :/


I'd love to see anyone at less than kiwikaki's level replicate the same micro. The mass blink stalker heavy army is a very popular style by players like NEXGenius and a few other koreans, and yet I've never seen a single one of them ever micro their blink stalkers half as well as kiwikaki does.


Believe it or not, but when that's your only task it's not difficult. If you're microing other units in battle specifically it can become difficult, but when you're pure stalkers the rest of it kinda' goes away. When you're 100% focused on doing nothing but controlling blink stalkers then it's actually pretty easy.

HP bars show, drag over quick on the area that is weak, press b and blink to back. repeat
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
September 09 2010 22:21 GMT
#551
I love how people can complain about imbalance, every1 always talks about how Terran in sc:bw was the hardest to play, but guess what? Terran dominate all titles ever held by a long shot, so I guess people will continually complain because they don't like to practice. The game is still new, and if you always complain about imbalance, you will never learn how to actually deal with it. You know zergs are still winning, so clearly they are capable... Notice in game 6 where kiwikaki tried mass stalker and got run over by worse positioning and up a ramp by hydra/roach? I think dimaga's miss step in macro lead to that final game loss (1k+ minerals early had detrimental build up to that point of attack) -i.e. he could have spent that sooner, making sooner economy, resulting in faster army of hydras to deflect that attack, and most likely end up winning the game.
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
archon256
Profile Joined August 2010
United States363 Posts
September 09 2010 22:27 GMT
#552
Stalker Blink Micro is great and all, but I wish Zerg had some cute micro tricks they could use in this matchup as well. You always hear people raving about great Forcefields and Blinks, but when do you ever see someone talk about amazing Muta micro or Hydra usage? I suppose Burrowing Roaches counts a bit, but that's rather quickly negated once obs come out. At least ZvT has Infestors and Banelings...

That said, I enjoyed these showmatches very much. Much love to all involved.


"The troupe is ready, the stage is set. I come to dance, the dance of death"
Mellotron
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States329 Posts
September 09 2010 22:46 GMT
#553
Ive loved all these showmatches. Incontrol is pretty damn hilarious and is becoming one of my favorites. Keep these showmatches coming if you can because they are great.
Starcraft player since 1999
Awesomesauce
Profile Joined August 2009
Belgium69 Posts
September 09 2010 23:11 GMT
#554
Dimaga really deserves a more polished/balanced race

anyway, grats to kiwikaki
iSTime
Profile Joined November 2006
1579 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-10 00:13:28
September 10 2010 00:13 GMT
#555
On September 10 2010 06:13 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 10 2010 05:56 PJA wrote:
On September 10 2010 00:37 esKq wrote:
On September 09 2010 23:47 RyanRushia wrote:
how can u say it was brainless micro? on xel naga he was outfooded but blinked brillianty like eveyr weak stalker... if he hadnt have donet hat he woulda lost


On large scale fight it's not that hard, the concave was big though.
It wasn't easy to do it flawlessly but it's not such a amazing move from him, Z couldn't compete with his hydras that the sad part :/


I'd love to see anyone at less than kiwikaki's level replicate the same micro. The mass blink stalker heavy army is a very popular style by players like NEXGenius and a few other koreans, and yet I've never seen a single one of them ever micro their blink stalkers half as well as kiwikaki does.


Believe it or not, but when that's your only task it's not difficult. If you're microing other units in battle specifically it can become difficult, but when you're pure stalkers the rest of it kinda' goes away. When you're 100% focused on doing nothing but controlling blink stalkers then it's actually pretty easy.

HP bars show, drag over quick on the area that is weak, press b and blink to back. repeat


Next time you micro that well against a player as good as dimaga while macroing get back to me .
www.infinityseven.net
Quepp42
Profile Joined May 2010
United States96 Posts
September 10 2010 03:57 GMT
#556
God I love watching Dimaga play. What other zerg's should I follow? The only other "top" zergs i've really seen replays for are sen and madfrog. Obviously I'd watch Idra if I could find any of his reps
All it takes to fly is to throw yourself at the ground and miss.
Ascorius
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway275 Posts
September 10 2010 04:10 GMT
#557
On September 10 2010 12:57 Quepp42 wrote:
God I love watching Dimaga play. What other zerg's should I follow? The only other "top" zergs i've really seen replays for are sen and madfrog. Obviously I'd watch Idra if I could find any of his reps


You mentioned Sen and IdrA, but Madfrog isnt really that good (Well, he is very good, but not compared to some of the other top guys). But you should really watch CheckPrime (Korean), and Cool (Also Korean and prolly the only zerg who can match IdrA). Cool goes is a former BW pro, but he goes under the nick fruitseller now I think.
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
September 10 2010 08:36 GMT
#558
Some nice replays here to watch tonight!! PvZ is my worst matchup simply because I rarely get to play them on ladder!!!
Live and Let Die!
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
September 10 2010 10:13 GMT
#559
On September 10 2010 04:37 Warlion wrote:
just about to finish uploading all the games from this action packed series.

feel free to check it out everyone .

and as always, if you dont like commentary, just mute me, im cool with that.

here is my channel link just incase:

http://www.youtube.com/user/WarlionProductions

p.s. @aquafresh - what can i tell you bro, us canadians just rule at protoss play! first huk, then kiwikaki... and now warlion (ya thats it)..... . . .

User was temp banned for this post.


Why the ban?
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
September 10 2010 11:00 GMT
#560
From GSL interview with Check:

Artosis: "What is your view on ZvT imbalance"
Check: "I think ZvP is more imbalanced then ZvT"

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