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Eeeegor
Profile Joined April 2005
Australia809 Posts
September 09 2010 09:17 GMT
#501
IdrA vs Kiwi would rock :D
Day9 Made Me Do It
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
September 09 2010 09:17 GMT
#502
On September 09 2010 17:38 drewbie.root wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2010 17:30 liquid.gwj wrote:
IdrA vs KiWi, Bo7

(MK announcer voice):
Round 1, FIGHT!

and by fight I mean play a game and act a bit more mature (as fun as all this is, it's also embarrassing).


agreed, idra is embarassing himself by trolling this thread.
also it doesn't matter if kiwi pwns idra in a showmatch because according to idra the matchup is broken and needs to be fixed ;(

thats funny, most zergs i talk to seem to think zvp is pretty well balanced


According to Idra, kiwi only has 2 builds, Idra will own kiwi real bad, and we all know it. Hoping for a showmatch as well.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
September 09 2010 09:27 GMT
#503
gogo Idra vs Kiwi :D I love Idra's trolling btw, i m glad at least some top players post on these forums once in a while
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
andrinho
Profile Joined July 2010
United States90 Posts
September 09 2010 09:30 GMT
#504
Congrats kiwikaki. Even though kiwi did way above average micro and macro it was still something that any pro player is able to do with breeze regardless their race, including dimaga. Nothing revolutionary was shown, the most interesting to me is pro zergs like dimaga are going for a 6 pool, thats a clear symptom of a bigger problem, zergs are at the edge of complete despair. I feel for zerg, (random player here).
Pikachusc2
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada91 Posts
September 09 2010 10:03 GMT
#505
kiwkikai! i love you bro

but i love idra better hes my favorite
so gtfo!
Losing is learning. winning is teaching
cuppatea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1401 Posts
September 09 2010 10:18 GMT
#506
On September 09 2010 11:41 Fayth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2010 09:30 SureYouCan wrote:
Why does it seem like in every single game where a zergs ground army gets roflstomped by a protoss/terran army that its always the zerg who made the "mistake"?

Maybe its because you can't stim/blink Hydralisks into your enemy? Who knows. Maybe because you can't make your ultralisks move up a cliff to get out of the way of your other units? Who knows. Maybe because your units operate between 5 and 3 range with no utility functions at all? Of course for 150/150 you can make that 6 to 3 range. Maybe its because zerg cant create impassable terrain to prevent your opponents ranged army from forming a concave? Who knows. Maybe this mythical micro you envision pro-zergs having doesn't actually exist and when 20 stalkers are bearing down on your natural and you don't have the option to retreat to a forcefielded/blocked off ramp, maybe just maybe attacking with your hydralisks is the best option. Who knows.

Maybe Kiwikaki > Dimaga

who knows

seriously dude


Maybe everyone who plays Protoss and Terran is better than everyone who plays Zerg.

Maybe the 3rd best Protoss in Canada, who was a good but not TOP level WC3 player, is just better at RTS than every Zerg outside of Asia (and most inside as well).

If only Dimaga, Haypro, Madfrog, Machine etc weren't such shitty RTS players, maybe we'd see some Zergs outside of Asia do SOMETHING in tournament play (not that Zergs inside Asia have been doing much in tournment play lately, since all those former BW pros playing Zerg apparantly aren't very good at RTS either).

At some point you've got to think maybe Zerg is just really fucking weak.
Madest
Profile Joined June 2010
Ukraine179 Posts
September 09 2010 10:27 GMT
#507
Kikiwaki won in a very close fight and deserved it.
But this american/canadian trashtalk towards Dimaga is pathetic.
Klive5ive
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom6056 Posts
September 09 2010 10:32 GMT
#508
On September 09 2010 19:18 cuppatea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2010 11:41 Fayth wrote:
On September 09 2010 09:30 SureYouCan wrote:
Why does it seem like in every single game where a zergs ground army gets roflstomped by a protoss/terran army that its always the zerg who made the "mistake"?

Maybe its because you can't stim/blink Hydralisks into your enemy? Who knows. Maybe because you can't make your ultralisks move up a cliff to get out of the way of your other units? Who knows. Maybe because your units operate between 5 and 3 range with no utility functions at all? Of course for 150/150 you can make that 6 to 3 range. Maybe its because zerg cant create impassable terrain to prevent your opponents ranged army from forming a concave? Who knows. Maybe this mythical micro you envision pro-zergs having doesn't actually exist and when 20 stalkers are bearing down on your natural and you don't have the option to retreat to a forcefielded/blocked off ramp, maybe just maybe attacking with your hydralisks is the best option. Who knows.

Maybe Kiwikaki > Dimaga

who knows

seriously dude


Maybe everyone who plays Protoss and Terran is better than everyone who plays Zerg.

Maybe the 3rd best Protoss in Canada, who was a good but not TOP level WC3 player, is just better at RTS than every Zerg outside of Asia (and most inside as well).

If only Dimaga, Haypro, Madfrog, Machine etc weren't such shitty RTS players, maybe we'd see some Zergs outside of Asia do SOMETHING in tournament play (not that Zergs inside Asia have been doing much in tournment play lately, since all those former BW pros playing Zerg apparantly aren't very good at RTS either).

At some point you've got to think maybe Zerg is just really fucking weak.

Protoss players dominated foreign broodwar for years does that mean Protoss was strongest in BW? No.

At the level we are at currently, yes Terran and Protoss are easier to win with, BUT there is still great potential for improvement in all 3 races.
Don't hate the player - Hate the game
DarKFoRcE
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1215 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-09 10:48:44
September 09 2010 10:46 GMT
#509
I usually dont like Idra and especially his tone, but i really understand him this time and agree with what he said, even though it looks like he is trolling, i think most of it is pretty serious. Im also becoming more and more frustrated with ZvP.
Follow me on Twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/PinDarKFoRcE
Nilaus
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark159 Posts
September 09 2010 10:49 GMT
#510
Fantastic showmatch!

- Stream quality was excellent (GLHF.tv are superstars when it comes to streaming)
- Commentary was great, I loved how you guys weren't afraid to announce something, which turned out wrong. So much better than simply saying what everyone can see.
- Games were very varied and highly entertaining

I didn't feel that Dimaga especially played up to par. His losses were caused by his tendency to get stuck with an all-in one-base strat. He is so much better when he plays standard. Similarly, Kiwikaki played solid, but not particularly brilliant or innovative. Maybe I am just spoiled form watching GSL games
ROOTCatZ
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
Peru1238 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-09 11:14:40
September 09 2010 11:13 GMT
#511
On September 09 2010 17:16 drewbie.root wrote:
wow kiwikaki congratulations, you have achieved a high enough level to receive the idra flame


hahahahahahaha. This is a very special day, KiWiKaKi has recieved an IdrA flame WITHOUT EVEN PLAYING HIM !!!

hahahahaha. I can still remember with joy the day that I recieved an IdrA flame *looks to the horizon*.+ Show Spoiler +
it was the night of a hot summer day... the stars where shining bright. I got the Honor and Privilege of playing IdrA that day, he won the first couple of games, and he was quite a nice guy. But then, suddenly, I dared to win one.

It was the most straight up game possible on Lost temple, back then roaches were OP and ZvZ was all about them. long story short, we split the map and massed roaches, he attacked into me, I had better upgrades and slightly more supply, and won the fight and the game.

Innevitably, I was told by the man himself, that I am not worthy of his respect. I was very sad... but curious at the same time, I had heard storys about the legendary IdrA rage, but never had I seen it...what a priviledge! and so he continued on to flame me for 2 reasons:

1- Transfering Drones to my gold (apparently you're not suppossed to or at least back then he didn't think it was good... or manner? idk LOL)

2- "It's ridiculous how anyone can macro in this game" - until today I am trying to figure out if that is a compliment or an insult... much like IdrA when he's told by Korean Progamers that he has no skill but is Hardworker. LOL
Progamerwww.root-gaming.com
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
September 09 2010 11:16 GMT
#512
On September 09 2010 19:46 DarKFoRcE wrote:
I usually dont like Idra and especially his tone, but i really understand him this time and agree with what he said, even though it looks like he is trolling, i think most of it is pretty serious. Im also becoming more and more frustrated with ZvP.


Frustrating as hell. Protoss so easy to play, so safe to play, except when you get 6pooled lol.

But seriously, bring back some good map so you can surround a little better. I freaking hate the maps as zerg, but when offracing as protoss Im smiling.
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
September 09 2010 11:29 GMT
#513
omg artosis lose vs a protoss, p so imba obviously
www.root-gaming.com
dRaW
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Canada5744 Posts
September 09 2010 12:07 GMT
#514
I thought Idra said that ZvP was the most balanced match-up? Maybe it was Artosis...? Either way both of them seem to be high rank so whats the point of talking shit to each other, nerd rage is so much fun o.o
I don't need luck, luck is for noobs, good luck to you though
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
September 09 2010 12:13 GMT
#515
On September 09 2010 21:07 dRaW wrote:
I thought Idra said that ZvP was the most balanced match-up? Maybe it was Artosis...? Either way both of them seem to be high rank so whats the point of talking shit to each other, nerd rage is so much fun o.o


I'm pretty sure it wasn't Idra. Unless it was a long time ago.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
September 09 2010 12:32 GMT
#516
On September 09 2010 21:13 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2010 21:07 dRaW wrote:
I thought Idra said that ZvP was the most balanced match-up? Maybe it was Artosis...? Either way both of them seem to be high rank so whats the point of talking shit to each other, nerd rage is so much fun o.o


I'm pretty sure it wasn't Idra. Unless it was a long time ago.


No, I remember Idra telling us that pvz is imbalanced, but cause the terran dominated so much it was kind of left behind. He said 2 gate pressure cripples zerg so much. Might be more, I have forgotten, Im sure most zerg players have a list they could share.
BBMorti
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark242 Posts
September 09 2010 12:32 GMT
#517
The beauty of Idra is he tends to say it as it is
Bleb
Profile Joined August 2010
Croatia278 Posts
September 09 2010 12:37 GMT
#518
Wp kiwi
wp dimaga
ppl like dimaga always impress me and makes me wanna switch to zerg (I'm P)
but
ppl like idra makes me wanna invent punch-over-internet-machine
(dude we get it... zergs are weak no doubt about it... how will your rudeness change that?)
Cranberries
Profile Joined July 2010
Wales567 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-09 12:56:00
September 09 2010 12:50 GMT
#519
10 pool.

10 pool cures any early aggression because 10 pool gets Zerglings out sooner than 12/14 gate. The only way you can match 10 pool is with 10 gate or 11 gate... And who really uses 10/11 gates in PvP?

Also I want to put out that I think it's ludicrous people can say these games were close. Dimaga had to work twice, even three times, as much as Kiwikaki just to break even with him at points. It's silly that Kiwikaki is allowed to suicide 5-6 Zealots and not be hurt by it.
Warlion
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada41 Posts
September 09 2010 12:52 GMT
#520
I casted these games on my youtube channel if anyone is interested in seeing them. Pretty epic games, Kiwikaki just inspires me and I absolutely LOVE saying his name lol. Its like cat nip for lion!

Anyways, feel free to look everyone and if you don't like the commentary just mute me and enjoy the vid . Here is a link below to my channel:

http://www.youtube.com/user/WarlionProductions
http://www.youtube.com/user/WarlionProductions
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