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Sliver
Profile Joined April 2010
United States402 Posts
September 01 2010 12:48 GMT
#281
What a shitty state of affairs. I hope GOMTV changes their mind somewhere down the road, if not I fear for the future of E-sports.
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
September 01 2010 12:48 GMT
#282
On September 01 2010 18:00 GOMTV wrote:
For GSL , all matches from Ro64 will be broadcasted on our Englsih homepage

That is too good...
SirGlinG
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden933 Posts
September 01 2010 12:49 GMT
#283
On September 01 2010 21:44 thopol wrote:
I have a brilliant idea. You play advertisements between games. You charge companies to air their advertisements. You show the companies the huge viewer numbers and make bank.

Revenue minus shitstorm. Think about it.

EDIT: Piracy for the win. Keep it real bitches, we're going to watch your shit for free anyways...


The problem for them is that it's true. We will watch this for free if we want to. The internet always wins...

I expected the first seasons to be for free, since it's smart way to get the viewers "addicted to their product". Plus it's a much nicer approach than slamming the cost in our faces a couple of days before the tournament starts.
Now we're just dissapointed instead of hyped.

A bad move from the GSL, hopefully they'll try something else out or at least make it cheaper!

Not my chair. Not my problem. That's what I say
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
September 01 2010 12:50 GMT
#284
On September 01 2010 21:40 Zakka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 21:31 Nyx wrote:

On September 01 2010 21:21 Terrakin wrote:
I don't see why 20$ is such a big deal..


???

For $20 you can have satellite tv for a month....





Yeah and an UFC Pay per view costs more than double of that, and that's only a couple of hours...

These comparisons are pointless...

UFC is already established....

On the other hand SC2 is a infant...

There is a idiot at top of GomTV.

If he wanted to have a steady income of $ not just once and never again (or he thinks sc2 will flop) he should do:

1) first tournament free stream medium quality and vods coauple of days later (to hook up people)

2) get the numbers from the first tornament and go on a wild world sponsor hunt. They will have the results of the first torunament streaming (how many views in each region, country)

3) then prepare region (country) targeted ADS (should be easy. Check the region from client IP adress and send them the right add)

4) than comes the second toruney. No they offer medium quality stream (with adds during breaks and so on) and vods couple of days later with ads at begining middle and end) <-- get numbers as after first torunament

5) repeat points 2-3

6) next tournament: offer free LQ quality stream with adds couple of days later, LQ vods with adds, Higer quality premium stream with less adds (sponsors would pay more to get a add on this stream) and vods avaliable right after

7) if it works you are set up like old KESPA. Money incoming ;D

Sadly since Gom isnt using this method... theirs attitude is to get money fast not worry what will happen later....

sadly this kind of attitude does not bode no good to future of SC2
AmiPolizeiFunk
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany804 Posts
September 01 2010 12:50 GMT
#285
I was so excited about this before today. I made newsposts about it on GameReplays.org, I hyped the event, linked videos, talked about it with my gaming friends, etc. etc. etc. And now? I feel like I just got punched in the face. After thinking I could happily watch these games this whole time, you're gonna bust out with a bolded "HOWEVER" and tell me that's not the case at all? Three days before the event? Yeah... I was all waving your flag, thinking "this is gonna be great".... now? How about this... Fuck you!
Sealteam
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Australia296 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 12:54:56
September 01 2010 12:53 GMT
#286
I am awestruck by the stupidity of the decision to have no free (ad-revenue) viewing.

Limiting your fanbase to hardcore fans who are willing to pay for the stream is perhaps the worst possible mistake you could make for the future popularity of Sc2 on GOMtv and GSL.

I hope you reconsider, I really would like to see GSL succeed.

And yeah, it will be restreamed and we will watch it for free.

Edit: Ok and because I really want to say it. Fuck you for dumping this on us now GOMTV. Fuck you.
Trizz
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1318 Posts
September 01 2010 12:53 GMT
#287
Such a bad move from GomTV, I just lost all interest in them.. I can't see why they would do this, there needs to be a free stream, it doesn't matter if it's LQ or not.
So much for wanting E-Sports to grow, you're only going to lose a lot more viewers.
nope
KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
September 01 2010 12:53 GMT
#288
On September 01 2010 19:56 Aurdon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 19:52 KristianJS wrote:
Honestly if people are complaining about paying.....if e-sports is ever going to be big and a regular sport, then there needs to be money in there! It's as simple as that. Viewers pay to watch matches in just about every other major sport out there, why not SC as well?

Of course, the price needs to be reasonable and quality of stream has to be top-notch....if GOM can ensure that then it's okay with me.



Every other major sport doesn't charge for people to watch their events. Most major sports broadcasting is covered by Sponsors and Advertising. Only going to the event live usually has a charge. Exceptions to this are some things go to PPV like boxing and MMA.



Point is, even going to the live event in Korea has traditionally cost absolutely nothing. Most major sports events gain a lot of revenue from selling tickets. e-sports get's no money that way so far.
You need to be 100% behind someone before you can stab them in the back
Skvid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Lithuania751 Posts
September 01 2010 12:54 GMT
#289
On September 01 2010 21:36 papaz wrote:
another fun thing to add to this is that they want feedback on their website but i cant write more than like 100 chars per message.
.

Browse the site, who knows maybe you can find a premium forum membership there that allows to post whole 200 chars, for a measly 10$ a month price.
/sarcasm
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
September 01 2010 13:00 GMT
#290
I've studied economics and even from an economic point of view this makes no sense whatsoever - people intuitively have come to the correct conclusion already:

it is proven through research that a new brand has to be "established" somehow; newspapers for example are very often given out for free the first couple of weeks; then when there is an audience who is convinced that the quality is good, they charge; BUT also the advertisements get higher

with GOMTV and starcraft 2 it's exactly the same; nobody really knows how good the quality will be, if the stream will lag, if the matches will start on time, if there will be any problems; in order to gain a considerable audience it is nearly inevitable to provide a low-quality free-stream for the first event; I for instance didn't pay for IEM-HD but will definitely the next time; because the event was great and from the next time on I will gladly contribute;

if GOMTV had provided free streaming for the first season, then they would have had the possibility to attract bigger companies for advertising and furthermore could've calculated the price much more precisely; as it is right now there is not much that justifies this approach from an economic point of view....
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
dvide
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom287 Posts
September 01 2010 13:01 GMT
#291
Without any free option nobody is even going to spread the news around. Who's going to post about this on reddit when there is no free stream or even VOD? Nobody. So nobody will even know about it, and it wont grow.
shannn
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands2891 Posts
September 01 2010 13:02 GMT
#292
On September 01 2010 21:50 Frankon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2010 21:40 Zakka wrote:
On September 01 2010 21:31 Nyx wrote:

On September 01 2010 21:21 Terrakin wrote:
I don't see why 20$ is such a big deal..


???

For $20 you can have satellite tv for a month....





Yeah and an UFC Pay per view costs more than double of that, and that's only a couple of hours...

These comparisons are pointless...

UFC is already established....

On the other hand SC2 is a infant...

There is a idiot at top of GomTV.

If he wanted to have a steady income of $ not just once and never again (or he thinks sc2 will flop) he should do:

1) first tournament free stream medium quality and vods coauple of days later (to hook up people)

2) get the numbers from the first tornament and go on a wild world sponsor hunt. They will have the results of the first torunament streaming (how many views in each region, country)

3) then prepare region (country) targeted ADS (should be easy. Check the region from client IP adress and send them the right add)

4) than comes the second toruney. No they offer medium quality stream (with adds during breaks and so on) and vods couple of days later with ads at begining middle and end) <-- get numbers as after first torunament

5) repeat points 2-3

6) next tournament: offer free LQ quality stream with adds couple of days later, LQ vods with adds, Higer quality premium stream with less adds (sponsors would pay more to get a add on this stream) and vods avaliable right after

7) if it works you are set up like old KESPA. Money incoming ;D

Sadly since Gom isnt using this method... theirs attitude is to get money fast not worry what will happen later....

sadly this kind of attitude does not bode no good to future of SC2

Now this is a constructive post regarding the topic and has proven to me what can be easily done to gain more income and viewers.

Have you posted this on the GOMTV forums?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=6321864 Epic post.
Vandro
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands384 Posts
September 01 2010 13:03 GMT
#293
I already LOL when they see that they have no viewers and say that SC2 is not popular Shooting yourself in the leg ^^
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
September 01 2010 13:03 GMT
#294
Nope to lazy to register
ddod
Profile Joined April 2009
Bulgaria144 Posts
September 01 2010 13:03 GMT
#295
muahahahaha 2$/day thatsa nice sense-o-humor
Black snake is evil, black snake is all I see.
ltortoise
Profile Joined August 2010
633 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-09-01 13:07:01
September 01 2010 13:06 GMT
#296
The SC2 community simply isn't large enough or well established enough to want to pay for things like this.

They should be making profit the same way everybody else does in these situations... Free stream, with lots of advertisements for revenue. What's wrong with that? I think people grossly underestimate the profit you can get from ads, especially with 10,000+ people are watching live with hundreds of thousands watching the VODs.
ryanAnger
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States838 Posts
September 01 2010 13:07 GMT
#297
I wish they would reveal more about the format of these vods and how many there are going to be. If there are English vods for at least 75 percent of the matches, I plan on buying it. I have a lot of friends who will come over and watch so its well worth the money to me.
On my way...
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
September 01 2010 13:07 GMT
#298
Wow stupid decision, having to pay for a low quality stream is one thing, but charging for the stream and the VODs? That is beyond ridiculous. If money is such an important issue for gretech (just see their ludicrous demands of Kespa), then why host a tournament that pays a prize of 200K? A tournament that has less of a pool but can be enjoyed by many is much better than one with a greater pool and can only be enjoyed by few. Kespa/OGN/MBC do not charge vods or seating and they quite larger in terms of operation and cost. Next thing you know gretech will charge for their crummy seats too.
PanzerDragoon
Profile Joined March 2010
United States822 Posts
September 01 2010 13:08 GMT
#299
Seriously; you're charging for VODs? Did you even want this to succeed? At least make the VODs free man
Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
September 01 2010 13:08 GMT
#300
gomtv just destroyed my dreams.

Well, people will restream it anyways and make more from donations than it costs for the stream. I can only see the hardcore people purchasing this and I think a large chunk of that demographic would rather just watch the free OGN stream than pay $20-50.
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