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On August 16 2010 15:53 BigT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:51 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:On August 16 2010 15:49 BigT wrote:On August 16 2010 15:39 XiaN wrote:
Just to recap the last 15 hours
1.) IdrA refused to let BigT cast his first game after BigT bm'ing IdrA in the ingame chat
2.) HuK forced official gg.net casters to leave his game vs. MorroW because of lag and remade a game with only BigT as caster
3.) After that gg.net refused to let BigT cast the finals of the the EU and US qualifiers and disallowed him to cast the Top8 of the Gosucup. They thought BigT said HuK and MorroW to only let him cast their games ( which is def. not true )
4.) Either StrifeCro or Jobless cheated an caused 2 rounds of the tournament to be replayed
5.) Chill flaming BigT in his BiggerT stream
6.) The whole IdrA vs. ESL thing
Man .. there are golden days to come :D Why is Big T in so many of those #s hahaha xD Like i said, i wasn't trying to "bm" idra, i was being extremely facetious the entire time and i apologize if i offended anyone who thought otherwise. And the gg.net gamers were not allowed to cast because of lag issues, nothing personal against them! <3 you guys :D Hopefully they didn't "ban" me from casting the other rounds because they thought it was something personal D: And yeah about that biggert thing. What was up with that? I'm all for a good joke... but isnt that taking it a little too far? I mean I was told he was actually telling me to spam and troll me.... D: BiggerT was fucking funny, I was crying with laughter go check out Artosis' twitter for backup evidence. If anyone took anything he said seriously about you then they were not paying enough attention. Yeah yeah, like i said i'm all for a good joke but.... to tell people to spam me during my cast.... just feels like whoever that was took it a little to far... I didnt deserve that. And weren't we just talking about being "professional"? I really hope it wasnt someone from tl.net D:
Oh, you don't know who it was? It was Chill, dude. The mod. I don't remember him ever explicitly telling people to spam you, though... he was getting spammed pretty bad in chat, just like you were.
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On August 16 2010 15:52 Holcan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2010 15:47 .ImpacT. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:45 Holcan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2010 15:41 .ImpacT. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:40 Holcan wrote:On August 16 2010 15:34 Yotsuba wrote:On August 16 2010 15:28 Precipice wrote:
The difference between esports and real sports, is people in real sports are taller, and can actually win or lose with dignity and manners. Have you ever seen real sports? People swear ALL the time on the field. They tell refs "f*ck off", etc a lot, and usually it's a technical foul, yellow card, etc. Sports are vicious, and if a league ever made an announcement that they were banning a player for "bad manners", he better damn well be acting way over the top. Sure, IdrA BMs, but if he were in physical sports, he wouldn't even be known for that. However, I seem to notice "real" sports leagues being a touch more on the ball. Don't see very many do-overs there. Well in basketball, and most other sports, the referee holds his own right to eject players at his own discretion, even fans can be ejected for foul behavior. I'd also like to not that the players often swear, but they swear into the air, and not directly at the administrators, referees, and umpires, and even indirect actions can be punished severely. Fines are often handed out if they publicly insult the officiating, its called professionalism. So fine him (give him a slap on the wrist, make a public statement about "we will not tolerate BM") but how often do you see A-Rod (Top American baseball player for those unaware.) get kicked out for swearing? My guess is A-Rod doesnt personally insult the umpire, thus does not deserve a kick, A-Rod also has a great coaching staff behind him which does a lot of the coercing for him, I dont watch baseball often, but ive seen people get kicked for swearing into the air, hell Tim Duncan got ejected for laughing in an NBA game. Yes, but has he been BANNED from baseball for a season because of it? Or just penalized in some way. (And I beg to differ on the personally insult the umpire, he's thrown a few words around XD). are you really trying to compare the actions of the MLB, the most successful sport in America, to SC2, a niche hobby?
Why wouldn't anyone expect a tournament to be run in a professional matter. It doesn't matter what the activity is, underwater basket weaving or baseball. Organizers of a tournament have a responsibility to ensure that things are run in a professional manner. Especially when any money is involved.
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On August 16 2010 15:53 BigT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:51 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:On August 16 2010 15:49 BigT wrote:On August 16 2010 15:39 XiaN wrote:
Just to recap the last 15 hours
1.) IdrA refused to let BigT cast his first game after BigT bm'ing IdrA in the ingame chat
2.) HuK forced official gg.net casters to leave his game vs. MorroW because of lag and remade a game with only BigT as caster
3.) After that gg.net refused to let BigT cast the finals of the the EU and US qualifiers and disallowed him to cast the Top8 of the Gosucup. They thought BigT said HuK and MorroW to only let him cast their games ( which is def. not true )
4.) Either StrifeCro or Jobless cheated an caused 2 rounds of the tournament to be replayed
5.) Chill flaming BigT in his BiggerT stream
6.) The whole IdrA vs. ESL thing
Man .. there are golden days to come :D Why is Big T in so many of those #s hahaha xD Like i said, i wasn't trying to "bm" idra, i was being extremely facetious the entire time and i apologize if i offended anyone who thought otherwise. And the gg.net gamers were not allowed to cast because of lag issues, nothing personal against them! <3 you guys :D Hopefully they didn't "ban" me from casting the other rounds because they thought it was something personal D: And yeah about that biggert thing. What was up with that? I'm all for a good joke... but isnt that taking it a little too far? I mean I was told he was actually telling me to spam and troll me.... D: BiggerT was fucking funny, I was crying with laughter go check out Artosis' twitter for backup evidence. If anyone took anything he said seriously about you then they were not paying enough attention. Yeah yeah, like i said i'm all for a good joke but.... to tell people to spam me during my cast.... just feels like whoever that was took it a little to far... I didnt deserve that. And weren't we just talking about being "professional"? I really hope it wasnt someone from tl.net D:
He didn't tell anybody to spam you. He was mocking the stupid stuff you say as well as casting on his own.
And it was Chill from TL.
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Ugh all this juicy esl drama is getting spoiled by BigT drama and bad sports analogies.
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On August 16 2010 15:55 BigT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:53 Sqq wrote:On August 16 2010 15:49 BigT wrote:On August 16 2010 15:39 XiaN wrote:
Just to recap the last 15 hours
1.) IdrA refused to let BigT cast his first game after BigT bm'ing IdrA in the ingame chat
2.) HuK forced official gg.net casters to leave his game vs. MorroW because of lag and remade a game with only BigT as caster
3.) After that gg.net refused to let BigT cast the finals of the the EU and US qualifiers and disallowed him to cast the Top8 of the Gosucup. They thought BigT said HuK and MorroW to only let him cast their games ( which is def. not true )
4.) Either StrifeCro or Jobless cheated an caused 2 rounds of the tournament to be replayed
5.) Chill flaming BigT in his BiggerT stream
6.) The whole IdrA vs. ESL thing
Man .. there are golden days to come :D Why is Big T in so many of those #s hahaha xD Like i said, i wasn't trying to "bm" idra, i was being extremely facetious the entire time and i apologize if i offended anyone who thought otherwise. And the gg.net gamers were not allowed to cast because of lag issues, nothing personal against them! <3 you guys :D Hopefully they didn't "ban" me from casting the other rounds because they thought it was something personal D: And yeah about that biggert thing. What was up with that? I'm all for a good joke... but isnt that taking it a little too far? I mean I was told he was actually telling people to spam and troll me.... D: You are starting to do my tits in. If it was facetious or not, you still did it and having so many streamers today you should as a caster stop and think, "Will everyone understand this?". Extremely unproffessional from your part, and you are one of the reasons why this has snowballed out of proportion. But i explicitly stated multiple times "i was just kidding". Shouldn't people understand that? xD
Saying you're just kidding after the fact sounds very insincere many people didn't believe you especially with random negative comments about Idra mixed into the rest of your cast.
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On August 16 2010 15:56 Shatter wrote:
Ugh all this juicy drama is getting spoiled by BigT drama and bad sports analogies.
Where's baller when you need him?
I'm sure it'd be an analogy involving sex acts with midgets, proper line dancing techniques, and something about seaweed.
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This thread needs more responses from ESL.
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On August 16 2010 15:56 Shatter wrote:
Ugh all this juicy drama is getting spoiled by BigT drama and bad sports analogies.
Sorry just trying to figure out wtf was going on today haha. Not sure why anyone would go far out of the way to make a joke about me xD
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On August 16 2010 15:55 BigT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:53 Sqq wrote:On August 16 2010 15:49 BigT wrote:On August 16 2010 15:39 XiaN wrote:
Just to recap the last 15 hours
1.) IdrA refused to let BigT cast his first game after BigT bm'ing IdrA in the ingame chat
2.) HuK forced official gg.net casters to leave his game vs. MorroW because of lag and remade a game with only BigT as caster
3.) After that gg.net refused to let BigT cast the finals of the the EU and US qualifiers and disallowed him to cast the Top8 of the Gosucup. They thought BigT said HuK and MorroW to only let him cast their games ( which is def. not true )
4.) Either StrifeCro or Jobless cheated an caused 2 rounds of the tournament to be replayed
5.) Chill flaming BigT in his BiggerT stream
6.) The whole IdrA vs. ESL thing
Man .. there are golden days to come :D Why is Big T in so many of those #s hahaha xD Like i said, i wasn't trying to "bm" idra, i was being extremely facetious the entire time and i apologize if i offended anyone who thought otherwise. And the gg.net gamers were not allowed to cast because of lag issues, nothing personal against them! <3 you guys :D Hopefully they didn't "ban" me from casting the other rounds because they thought it was something personal D: And yeah about that biggert thing. What was up with that? I'm all for a good joke... but isnt that taking it a little too far? I mean I was told he was actually telling people to spam and troll me.... D: You are starting to do my tits in. If it was facetious or not, you still did it and having so many streamers today you should as a caster stop and think, "Will everyone understand this?". Extremely unproffessional from your part, and you are one of the reasons why this has snowballed out of proportion. But i explicitly stated multiple times "i was just kidding". Shouldn't people understand that? xD Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:53 taLbuk wrote:
Yeah BiggerT was hilarious, not quite over the line, also for the hours I was watching him I never saw him tell people to spam or troll you.
Ahh ok, maybe i was misinformed ^^* I wish i could have seen it :D
He told people to send you PMs on TL, not go on your channel or on bnet and spam you.
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On August 16 2010 15:49 BigT wrote:
Why is Big T in so many of those #s hahaha xD Like i said, i wasn't trying to "bm" idra, i was being extremely facetious the entire time and i apologize if i offended anyone who thought otherwise.
No you weren't. You can pretend to be nice after the fact all you want but the fact of the matter is, you were extremely rude to IdrA the entire tournament.
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On August 16 2010 15:57 Faxmachine wrote:
This thread needs more responses from ESL.
I think they all ran and hid after the realized how fucked their reputation with TL is now. Not to mention all the rest of the people who can't stand unprofessionally run tournaments.
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I'd just like to point out again that idrA has specifically said disallowing bigT's streaming had nothing to do with their chat. He said he didn't want any caster because of lag, and would have acted the same way if bigT hadn't messaged him. Lets get back on track people.
in fact, idrA's EXACT QUOTE from earlier in this thread is
"he didnt provoke me, my connection with bnet us is horrible and esl is a bad organization, i wasnt going to allow him to cast me in the first place. "
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On August 16 2010 15:56 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:55 BigT wrote:On August 16 2010 15:53 Sqq wrote:On August 16 2010 15:49 BigT wrote:On August 16 2010 15:39 XiaN wrote:
Just to recap the last 15 hours
1.) IdrA refused to let BigT cast his first game after BigT bm'ing IdrA in the ingame chat
2.) HuK forced official gg.net casters to leave his game vs. MorroW because of lag and remade a game with only BigT as caster
3.) After that gg.net refused to let BigT cast the finals of the the EU and US qualifiers and disallowed him to cast the Top8 of the Gosucup. They thought BigT said HuK and MorroW to only let him cast their games ( which is def. not true )
4.) Either StrifeCro or Jobless cheated an caused 2 rounds of the tournament to be replayed
5.) Chill flaming BigT in his BiggerT stream
6.) The whole IdrA vs. ESL thing
Man .. there are golden days to come :D Why is Big T in so many of those #s hahaha xD Like i said, i wasn't trying to "bm" idra, i was being extremely facetious the entire time and i apologize if i offended anyone who thought otherwise. And the gg.net gamers were not allowed to cast because of lag issues, nothing personal against them! <3 you guys :D Hopefully they didn't "ban" me from casting the other rounds because they thought it was something personal D: And yeah about that biggert thing. What was up with that? I'm all for a good joke... but isnt that taking it a little too far? I mean I was told he was actually telling people to spam and troll me.... D: You are starting to do my tits in. If it was facetious or not, you still did it and having so many streamers today you should as a caster stop and think, "Will everyone understand this?". Extremely unproffessional from your part, and you are one of the reasons why this has snowballed out of proportion. But i explicitly stated multiple times "i was just kidding". Shouldn't people understand that? xD Saying you're just kidding after the fact sounds very insincere many people didn't believe you especially with random negative comments about Idra mixed into the rest of your cast.
Hmm.. maybe 30 seconds after i said it i said i was just kidding lol. Id be willing to bet that most people are much for mad about it than idra himself, infact i dont think hes mad at all cause he knew i was just kidding and being facetious 
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2010 15:54 .ImpacT. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:52 Holcan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2010 15:47 .ImpacT. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:45 Holcan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2010 15:41 .ImpacT. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:40 Holcan wrote:On August 16 2010 15:34 Yotsuba wrote:On August 16 2010 15:28 Precipice wrote:
The difference between esports and real sports, is people in real sports are taller, and can actually win or lose with dignity and manners. Have you ever seen real sports? People swear ALL the time on the field. They tell refs "f*ck off", etc a lot, and usually it's a technical foul, yellow card, etc. Sports are vicious, and if a league ever made an announcement that they were banning a player for "bad manners", he better damn well be acting way over the top. Sure, IdrA BMs, but if he were in physical sports, he wouldn't even be known for that. However, I seem to notice "real" sports leagues being a touch more on the ball. Don't see very many do-overs there. Well in basketball, and most other sports, the referee holds his own right to eject players at his own discretion, even fans can be ejected for foul behavior. I'd also like to not that the players often swear, but they swear into the air, and not directly at the administrators, referees, and umpires, and even indirect actions can be punished severely. Fines are often handed out if they publicly insult the officiating, its called professionalism. So fine him (give him a slap on the wrist, make a public statement about "we will not tolerate BM") but how often do you see A-Rod (Top American baseball player for those unaware.) get kicked out for swearing? My guess is A-Rod doesnt personally insult the umpire, thus does not deserve a kick, A-Rod also has a great coaching staff behind him which does a lot of the coercing for him, I dont watch baseball often, but ive seen people get kicked for swearing into the air, hell Tim Duncan got ejected for laughing in an NBA game. Yes, but has he been BANNED from baseball for a season because of it? Or just penalized in some way. (And I beg to differ on the personally insult the umpire, he's thrown a few words around XD). are you really trying to compare the actions of the MLB, the most successful sport in America, to SC2, a niche hobby? I fail to see the difference in the argument regarding personal aggression towards the referee (in this case, admin.) remember, I wasn't the one to start the sports analogies. Simply proving a point, WHATEVER people are passionate about, if you make a personal mistake that determines the outcome be prepared for a bit of backlash.
There are monetary reasons, a lot of them, for not banning A-Rod, there is no monetary sacrifice for banning IdrA, does this make sense now why you shouldnt compare the officiating actions of a niche basement hobby to the officiating of a prestigious international competition. We were comparing how sports players are able to take a loss, not about how the repercussions for personally insulting an admin are, it wasnt until you put out a strawman argument that we had this tangent of handling officiating.
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On August 16 2010 15:58 Boonesbane wrote:
I'd just like to point out again that idrA has specifically said disallowing bigT's streaming had nothing to do with their chat. He said he didn't want any caster because of lag, and would have acted the same way if bigT hadn't messaged him. Lets get back on track people.
Couldn't have said it better. I guess we are all just waiting to see ESL's response.
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On August 16 2010 15:58 Boonesbane wrote:
I'd just like to point out again that idrA has specifically said disallowing bigT's streaming had nothing to do with their chat. He said he didn't want any caster because of lag, and would have acted the same way if bigT hadn't messaged him. Lets get back on track people.
Sorry sir, just trying to make sure people got this point! :D
EDIT: Because it still seems like people are making up feelings for idra lol.
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On August 16 2010 15:55 BigT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:53 Sqq wrote:On August 16 2010 15:49 BigT wrote:On August 16 2010 15:39 XiaN wrote:
Just to recap the last 15 hours
1.) IdrA refused to let BigT cast his first game after BigT bm'ing IdrA in the ingame chat
2.) HuK forced official gg.net casters to leave his game vs. MorroW because of lag and remade a game with only BigT as caster
3.) After that gg.net refused to let BigT cast the finals of the the EU and US qualifiers and disallowed him to cast the Top8 of the Gosucup. They thought BigT said HuK and MorroW to only let him cast their games ( which is def. not true )
4.) Either StrifeCro or Jobless cheated an caused 2 rounds of the tournament to be replayed
5.) Chill flaming BigT in his BiggerT stream
6.) The whole IdrA vs. ESL thing
Man .. there are golden days to come :D Why is Big T in so many of those #s hahaha xD Like i said, i wasn't trying to "bm" idra, i was being extremely facetious the entire time and i apologize if i offended anyone who thought otherwise. And the gg.net gamers were not allowed to cast because of lag issues, nothing personal against them! <3 you guys :D Hopefully they didn't "ban" me from casting the other rounds because they thought it was something personal D: And yeah about that biggert thing. What was up with that? I'm all for a good joke... but isnt that taking it a little too far? I mean I was told he was actually telling people to spam and troll me.... D: You are starting to do my tits in. If it was facetious or not, you still did it and having so many streamers today you should as a caster stop and think, "Will everyone understand this?". Extremely unproffessional from your part, and you are one of the reasons why this has snowballed out of proportion. But i explicitly stated multiple times "i was just kidding". Shouldn't people understand that? xD Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:53 taLbuk wrote:
Yeah BiggerT was hilarious, not quite over the line, also for the hours I was watching him I never saw him tell people to spam or troll you.
Ahh ok, maybe i was misinformed ^^* I wish i could have seen it :D
Take a step back and revise how your comments affected all of this. You have a certain responsibility when you cast mainstream matches. Its easy to come here and explain after that it was all a joke, but it snowballed so badly, and as a caster you should known this ? You are either very incompetent at casting, or extremely naive. You are also being sponsored ? I guess those guys are loving the attention you're getting off this, so you might not be such a tool after all.
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On August 16 2010 15:59 Holcan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2010 15:54 .ImpacT. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:52 Holcan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2010 15:47 .ImpacT. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:45 Holcan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2010 15:41 .ImpacT. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:40 Holcan wrote:On August 16 2010 15:34 Yotsuba wrote:On August 16 2010 15:28 Precipice wrote:
The difference between esports and real sports, is people in real sports are taller, and can actually win or lose with dignity and manners. Have you ever seen real sports? People swear ALL the time on the field. They tell refs "f*ck off", etc a lot, and usually it's a technical foul, yellow card, etc. Sports are vicious, and if a league ever made an announcement that they were banning a player for "bad manners", he better damn well be acting way over the top. Sure, IdrA BMs, but if he were in physical sports, he wouldn't even be known for that. However, I seem to notice "real" sports leagues being a touch more on the ball. Don't see very many do-overs there. Well in basketball, and most other sports, the referee holds his own right to eject players at his own discretion, even fans can be ejected for foul behavior. I'd also like to not that the players often swear, but they swear into the air, and not directly at the administrators, referees, and umpires, and even indirect actions can be punished severely. Fines are often handed out if they publicly insult the officiating, its called professionalism. So fine him (give him a slap on the wrist, make a public statement about "we will not tolerate BM") but how often do you see A-Rod (Top American baseball player for those unaware.) get kicked out for swearing? My guess is A-Rod doesnt personally insult the umpire, thus does not deserve a kick, A-Rod also has a great coaching staff behind him which does a lot of the coercing for him, I dont watch baseball often, but ive seen people get kicked for swearing into the air, hell Tim Duncan got ejected for laughing in an NBA game. Yes, but has he been BANNED from baseball for a season because of it? Or just penalized in some way. (And I beg to differ on the personally insult the umpire, he's thrown a few words around XD). are you really trying to compare the actions of the MLB, the most successful sport in America, to SC2, a niche hobby? I fail to see the difference in the argument regarding personal aggression towards the referee (in this case, admin.) remember, I wasn't the one to start the sports analogies. Simply proving a point, WHATEVER people are passionate about, if you make a personal mistake that determines the outcome be prepared for a bit of backlash. There are monetary reasons, a lot of them, for not banning A-Rod, there is no monetary sacrifice for banning IdrA, does this make sense now why you shouldnt compare the officiating actions of a niche basement hobby to the officiating of a prestigious international competition. We were comparing how sports players are able to take a loss, not about how the repercussions for personally insulting an admin are, it wasnt until you put out a strawman argument that we had this tangent of handling officiating.
If you don't think they're going to lose viewers(and therefore money) by excluding IdrA, then you're just as stupid as the ESL admins
User was warned for this post
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On August 16 2010 15:57 crimsonsentinel wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:49 BigT wrote:
Why is Big T in so many of those #s hahaha xD Like i said, i wasn't trying to "bm" idra, i was being extremely facetious the entire time and i apologize if i offended anyone who thought otherwise.
No you weren't. You can pretend to be nice after the fact all you want but the fact of the matter is, you were extremely rude to IdrA the entire tournament.
"a-move zerg"
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