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On August 16 2010 15:45 Holcan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2010 15:41 .ImpacT. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:40 Holcan wrote:On August 16 2010 15:34 Yotsuba wrote:On August 16 2010 15:28 Precipice wrote:
The difference between esports and real sports, is people in real sports are taller, and can actually win or lose with dignity and manners. Have you ever seen real sports? People swear ALL the time on the field. They tell refs "f*ck off", etc a lot, and usually it's a technical foul, yellow card, etc. Sports are vicious, and if a league ever made an announcement that they were banning a player for "bad manners", he better damn well be acting way over the top. Sure, IdrA BMs, but if he were in physical sports, he wouldn't even be known for that. However, I seem to notice "real" sports leagues being a touch more on the ball. Don't see very many do-overs there. Well in basketball, and most other sports, the referee holds his own right to eject players at his own discretion, even fans can be ejected for foul behavior. I'd also like to not that the players often swear, but they swear into the air, and not directly at the administrators, referees, and umpires, and even indirect actions can be punished severely. Fines are often handed out if they publicly insult the officiating, its called professionalism. So fine him (give him a slap on the wrist, make a public statement about "we will not tolerate BM") but how often do you see A-Rod (Top American baseball player for those unaware.) get kicked out for swearing? My guess is A-Rod doesnt personally insult the umpire, thus does not deserve a kick, A-Rod also has a great coaching staff behind him which does a lot of the coercing for him, I dont watch baseball often, but ive seen people get kicked for swearing into the air, hell Tim Duncan got ejected for laughing in an NBA game.
Yes, but has he been BANNED from baseball for a season because of it? Or just penalized in some way. (And I beg to differ on the personally insult the umpire, he's thrown a few words around XD).
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On August 16 2010 15:38 G2Wolf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:34 Yotsuba wrote:
Have you ever seen real sports? People swear ALL the time on the field. They tell refs "f*ck off", etc a lot, and usually it's a technical foul, yellow card, etc. He's gotten his 2 yellows, and now he's gotten his red by the system for getting too many PP. 2+2=4, 4 PP = 1 week ban.
Following the analogy, the problem is IdrA's first yellow came from arguing and swearing at the ref, and then his second yellow came from scoring a goal that the ref originally allowed and then changed his mind.
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On August 16 2010 15:46 koshka wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:34 Yotsuba wrote:On August 16 2010 15:28 Precipice wrote:
The difference between esports and real sports, is people in real sports are taller, and can actually win or lose with dignity and manners. Have you ever seen real sports? People swear ALL the time on the field. They tell refs "f*ck off", etc a lot, and usually it's a technical foul, yellow card, etc. Sports are vicious, and if a league ever made an announcement that they were banning a player for "bad manners", he better damn well be acting way over the top. Sure, IdrA BMs, but if he were in physical sports, he wouldn't even be known for that. However, I seem to notice "real" sports leagues being a touch more on the ball. Don't see very many do-overs there. one can't make this clear enough: in the biggest and most loved sport on this planet, which is football (some may call it soccer  ) they know that the players are passionate about the game and the refs include that factor in their decisionmaking. some little raging like idra did probably wouldn't even get noticed. especially in a case like this when he was angry at them for fucking up
Once again, i cannot make this clear enough, there is a clear difference between complaining and making a case, and personally insulting someone.
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Interestingly enough the brackets still show IdrA advancing into next round. But as we still don't know the results of several matches that should have ended hours ago (check the bottom part of the brackets) this might be just the admins being lazy. Hopefully it means that they decided not to be too hasty and think things through.
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On August 16 2010 15:47 Holcan wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:46 koshka wrote:On August 16 2010 15:34 Yotsuba wrote:On August 16 2010 15:28 Precipice wrote:
The difference between esports and real sports, is people in real sports are taller, and can actually win or lose with dignity and manners. Have you ever seen real sports? People swear ALL the time on the field. They tell refs "f*ck off", etc a lot, and usually it's a technical foul, yellow card, etc. Sports are vicious, and if a league ever made an announcement that they were banning a player for "bad manners", he better damn well be acting way over the top. Sure, IdrA BMs, but if he were in physical sports, he wouldn't even be known for that. However, I seem to notice "real" sports leagues being a touch more on the ball. Don't see very many do-overs there. one can't make this clear enough: in the biggest and most loved sport on this planet, which is football (some may call it soccer ) they know that the players are passionate about the game and the refs include that factor in their decisionmaking. some little raging like idra did probably wouldn't even get noticed. especially in a case like this when he was angry at them for fucking up Once again, i cannot make this clear enough, there is a clear difference between complaining and making a case, and personally insulting someone.
In any sport, if you make a CLEAR mistake and then try to cover it, you can expect a lot of 'negative' feedback, from the fans AND the players.
(Is anyone else sitting here pressing f5 because this is so entertaining?) lol XD
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On August 16 2010 15:39 XiaN wrote:
Just to recap the last 15 hours
1.) IdrA refused to let BigT cast his first game after BigT bm'ing IdrA in the ingame chat
2.) HuK forced official gg.net casters to leave his game vs. MorroW because of lag and remade a game with only BigT as caster
3.) After that gg.net refused to let BigT cast the finals of the the EU and US qualifiers and disallowed him to cast the Top8 of the Gosucup. They thought BigT said HuK and MorroW to only let him cast their games ( which is def. not true )
4.) Either StrifeCro or Jobless cheated an caused 2 rounds of the tournament to be replayed
5.) Chill flaming BigT in his BiggerT stream
6.) The whole IdrA vs. ESL thing
Man .. there are golden days to come :D
Why is Big T in so many of those #s hahaha xD Like i said, i wasn't trying to "bm" idra, i was being extremely facetious the entire time and i apologize if i offended anyone who thought otherwise.
And the gg.net gamers were not allowed to cast because of lag issues, nothing personal against them! <3 you guys :D Hopefully they didn't "ban" me from casting the other rounds because they thought it was something personal D:
And yeah about that biggert thing. What was up with that? I'm all for a good joke... but isnt that taking it a little too far? I mean I was told he was actually telling people to spam and troll me.... D:
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On August 16 2010 15:38 G2Wolf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:34 Yotsuba wrote:
Have you ever seen real sports? People swear ALL the time on the field. They tell refs "f*ck off", etc a lot, and usually it's a technical foul, yellow card, etc. He's gotten his 2 yellows, and now he's gotten his red by the system for getting too many PP. 2+2=4, 4 PP = 1 week ban.
So you're magically adding penalties now? I thought you said you were going to ban idra for the whole season. Guess you couldn't get away with that now, huh?
Idra called you out for being a 'fucking idiot'. Do you know that you're a 'fucking idiot' ?
Please get more of your cronies to post in this thread, you're losing the PR battle.
Can you provide us a contact email for ESL/IEM management? TL wants you fired for gross incompetence.
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Unrelated to the drama, for an EU person who had to go to sleep before the matches were played, are there any VODs up yet/where will they be up?
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The funny thing is, a lot of people have said that they prefer Esports over actual sports because you don't have to worry about refs screwing over the better team with bad calls. But the ESL finds a way to do that by banning a player because they're mad IdrA called them out for not paying money in previous tournaments.
I just hope that their sponsors hear about this so they know who not to sponsor in the future.
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On August 16 2010 15:38 G2Wolf wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:34 Yotsuba wrote:
Have you ever seen real sports? People swear ALL the time on the field. They tell refs "f*ck off", etc a lot, and usually it's a technical foul, yellow card, etc. He's gotten his 2 yellows, and now he's gotten his red by the system for getting too many PP. 2+2=4, 4 PP = 1 week ban.
For this to be true:
the system would have to allow for retroactive "yellows"
or
allow for arbitrary penalties to be awareded without the requisite number of penalty points
or
IdrA would have had to earned himself a second set of 2 PPs after the bigT incident
Please prove that one of those 3 things are true.
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2010 15:47 .ImpacT. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:45 Holcan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2010 15:41 .ImpacT. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:40 Holcan wrote:On August 16 2010 15:34 Yotsuba wrote:On August 16 2010 15:28 Precipice wrote:
The difference between esports and real sports, is people in real sports are taller, and can actually win or lose with dignity and manners. Have you ever seen real sports? People swear ALL the time on the field. They tell refs "f*ck off", etc a lot, and usually it's a technical foul, yellow card, etc. Sports are vicious, and if a league ever made an announcement that they were banning a player for "bad manners", he better damn well be acting way over the top. Sure, IdrA BMs, but if he were in physical sports, he wouldn't even be known for that. However, I seem to notice "real" sports leagues being a touch more on the ball. Don't see very many do-overs there. Well in basketball, and most other sports, the referee holds his own right to eject players at his own discretion, even fans can be ejected for foul behavior. I'd also like to not that the players often swear, but they swear into the air, and not directly at the administrators, referees, and umpires, and even indirect actions can be punished severely. Fines are often handed out if they publicly insult the officiating, its called professionalism. So fine him (give him a slap on the wrist, make a public statement about "we will not tolerate BM") but how often do you see A-Rod (Top American baseball player for those unaware.) get kicked out for swearing? My guess is A-Rod doesnt personally insult the umpire, thus does not deserve a kick, A-Rod also has a great coaching staff behind him which does a lot of the coercing for him, I dont watch baseball often, but ive seen people get kicked for swearing into the air, hell Tim Duncan got ejected for laughing in an NBA game. Yes, but has he been BANNED from baseball for a season because of it? Or just penalized in some way. (And I beg to differ on the personally insult the umpire, he's thrown a few words around XD).
Imagining what would happen if a player did what idrA did in a physical sport is irrelevant because the ESL has rules specific to idrA's actions.
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idra is going to make 0$ after all the PP are factored in
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On August 16 2010 15:49 BigT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:39 XiaN wrote:
Just to recap the last 15 hours
1.) IdrA refused to let BigT cast his first game after BigT bm'ing IdrA in the ingame chat
2.) HuK forced official gg.net casters to leave his game vs. MorroW because of lag and remade a game with only BigT as caster
3.) After that gg.net refused to let BigT cast the finals of the the EU and US qualifiers and disallowed him to cast the Top8 of the Gosucup. They thought BigT said HuK and MorroW to only let him cast their games ( which is def. not true )
4.) Either StrifeCro or Jobless cheated an caused 2 rounds of the tournament to be replayed
5.) Chill flaming BigT in his BiggerT stream
6.) The whole IdrA vs. ESL thing
Man .. there are golden days to come :D Why is Big T in so many of those #s hahaha xD Like i said, i wasn't trying to "bm" idra, i was being extremely facetious the entire time and i apologize if i offended anyone who thought otherwise. And the gg.net gamers were not allowed to cast because of lag issues, nothing personal against them! <3 you guys :D Hopefully they didn't "ban" me from casting the other rounds because they thought it was something personal D: And yeah about that biggert thing. What was up with that? I'm all for a good joke... but isnt that taking it a little too far? I mean I was told he was actually telling me to spam and troll me.... D:
BiggerT was fucking funny, I was crying with laughter go check out Artosis' twitter for backup evidence. If anyone took anything he said seriously about you then they were not paying enough attention.
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2010 15:47 .ImpacT. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:45 Holcan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2010 15:41 .ImpacT. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:40 Holcan wrote:On August 16 2010 15:34 Yotsuba wrote:On August 16 2010 15:28 Precipice wrote:
The difference between esports and real sports, is people in real sports are taller, and can actually win or lose with dignity and manners. Have you ever seen real sports? People swear ALL the time on the field. They tell refs "f*ck off", etc a lot, and usually it's a technical foul, yellow card, etc. Sports are vicious, and if a league ever made an announcement that they were banning a player for "bad manners", he better damn well be acting way over the top. Sure, IdrA BMs, but if he were in physical sports, he wouldn't even be known for that. However, I seem to notice "real" sports leagues being a touch more on the ball. Don't see very many do-overs there. Well in basketball, and most other sports, the referee holds his own right to eject players at his own discretion, even fans can be ejected for foul behavior. I'd also like to not that the players often swear, but they swear into the air, and not directly at the administrators, referees, and umpires, and even indirect actions can be punished severely. Fines are often handed out if they publicly insult the officiating, its called professionalism. So fine him (give him a slap on the wrist, make a public statement about "we will not tolerate BM") but how often do you see A-Rod (Top American baseball player for those unaware.) get kicked out for swearing? My guess is A-Rod doesnt personally insult the umpire, thus does not deserve a kick, A-Rod also has a great coaching staff behind him which does a lot of the coercing for him, I dont watch baseball often, but ive seen people get kicked for swearing into the air, hell Tim Duncan got ejected for laughing in an NBA game. Yes, but has he been BANNED from baseball for a season because of it? Or just penalized in some way. (And I beg to differ on the personally insult the umpire, he's thrown a few words around XD).
are you really trying to compare the actions of the MLB, the most successful sport in America, to SC2, a niche hobby?
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On August 16 2010 15:50 thesighter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:38 G2Wolf wrote:On August 16 2010 15:34 Yotsuba wrote:
Have you ever seen real sports? People swear ALL the time on the field. They tell refs "f*ck off", etc a lot, and usually it's a technical foul, yellow card, etc. He's gotten his 2 yellows, and now he's gotten his red by the system for getting too many PP. 2+2=4, 4 PP = 1 week ban. So you're magically adding penalties now? I thought you said you were going to ban idra for the whole season. Guess you couldn't get away with that now, huh? Idra called you out for being a 'fucking idiot'. Do you know that you're a 'fucking idiot' ? Please get more of your cronies to post in this thread, you're losing the PR battle. Can you provide us a contact email for ESL/IEM management? TL wants you fired for gross incompetence.
Agreed.
(and as for the PR battle, ESL is more legendary for being a joke now than IdrA is for being passionate about the game and not being afraid to speak his mind.)
And I wouldn't go so far as to call them all "fucking idiots." :/ Dumbasses may be more appropriate.
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On August 16 2010 15:49 BigT wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:39 XiaN wrote:
Just to recap the last 15 hours
1.) IdrA refused to let BigT cast his first game after BigT bm'ing IdrA in the ingame chat
2.) HuK forced official gg.net casters to leave his game vs. MorroW because of lag and remade a game with only BigT as caster
3.) After that gg.net refused to let BigT cast the finals of the the EU and US qualifiers and disallowed him to cast the Top8 of the Gosucup. They thought BigT said HuK and MorroW to only let him cast their games ( which is def. not true )
4.) Either StrifeCro or Jobless cheated an caused 2 rounds of the tournament to be replayed
5.) Chill flaming BigT in his BiggerT stream
6.) The whole IdrA vs. ESL thing
Man .. there are golden days to come :D Why is Big T in so many of those #s hahaha xD Like i said, i wasn't trying to "bm" idra, i was being extremely facetious the entire time and i apologize if i offended anyone who thought otherwise. And the gg.net gamers were not allowed to cast because of lag issues, nothing personal against them! <3 you guys :D Hopefully they didn't "ban" me from casting the other rounds because they thought it was something personal D: And yeah about that biggert thing. What was up with that? I'm all for a good joke... but isnt that taking it a little too far? I mean I was told he was actually telling people to spam and troll me.... D:
You are starting to do my tits in. If it was facetious or not, you still did it and having so many streamers today you should as a caster stop and think, "Will everyone understand this?". Extremely unproffessional from your part, and you are one of the reasons why this has snowballed out of proportion.
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On August 16 2010 15:51 iCCup.Raelcun wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:49 BigT wrote:On August 16 2010 15:39 XiaN wrote:
Just to recap the last 15 hours
1.) IdrA refused to let BigT cast his first game after BigT bm'ing IdrA in the ingame chat
2.) HuK forced official gg.net casters to leave his game vs. MorroW because of lag and remade a game with only BigT as caster
3.) After that gg.net refused to let BigT cast the finals of the the EU and US qualifiers and disallowed him to cast the Top8 of the Gosucup. They thought BigT said HuK and MorroW to only let him cast their games ( which is def. not true )
4.) Either StrifeCro or Jobless cheated an caused 2 rounds of the tournament to be replayed
5.) Chill flaming BigT in his BiggerT stream
6.) The whole IdrA vs. ESL thing
Man .. there are golden days to come :D Why is Big T in so many of those #s hahaha xD Like i said, i wasn't trying to "bm" idra, i was being extremely facetious the entire time and i apologize if i offended anyone who thought otherwise. And the gg.net gamers were not allowed to cast because of lag issues, nothing personal against them! <3 you guys :D Hopefully they didn't "ban" me from casting the other rounds because they thought it was something personal D: And yeah about that biggert thing. What was up with that? I'm all for a good joke... but isnt that taking it a little too far? I mean I was told he was actually telling me to spam and troll me.... D: BiggerT was fucking funny, I was crying with laughter go check out Artosis' twitter for backup evidence. If anyone took anything he said seriously about you then they were not paying enough attention.
Yeah yeah, like i said i'm all for a good joke but.... to tell people to spam me during my cast.... just feels like whoever that was took it a little to far... I didnt deserve that. And weren't we just talking about being "professional"? I really hope it wasnt someone from tl.net D:
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Yeah BiggerT was hilarious, not quite over the line, also for the hours I was watching him I never saw him tell people to spam or troll you.
Also BigT had really nothing to do with it being blown up, at first I thought so but Idra responded that he was in no way provoked by him, rather he just didn't want a caster for lag reasons.
Really it comes down to National ESL bending rules (again it is important to remember they are a different branch then IEM or ESL I believe)
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On August 16 2010 15:52 Holcan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2010 15:47 .ImpacT. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:45 Holcan wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On August 16 2010 15:41 .ImpacT. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:40 Holcan wrote:On August 16 2010 15:34 Yotsuba wrote:On August 16 2010 15:28 Precipice wrote:
The difference between esports and real sports, is people in real sports are taller, and can actually win or lose with dignity and manners. Have you ever seen real sports? People swear ALL the time on the field. They tell refs "f*ck off", etc a lot, and usually it's a technical foul, yellow card, etc. Sports are vicious, and if a league ever made an announcement that they were banning a player for "bad manners", he better damn well be acting way over the top. Sure, IdrA BMs, but if he were in physical sports, he wouldn't even be known for that. However, I seem to notice "real" sports leagues being a touch more on the ball. Don't see very many do-overs there. Well in basketball, and most other sports, the referee holds his own right to eject players at his own discretion, even fans can be ejected for foul behavior. I'd also like to not that the players often swear, but they swear into the air, and not directly at the administrators, referees, and umpires, and even indirect actions can be punished severely. Fines are often handed out if they publicly insult the officiating, its called professionalism. So fine him (give him a slap on the wrist, make a public statement about "we will not tolerate BM") but how often do you see A-Rod (Top American baseball player for those unaware.) get kicked out for swearing? My guess is A-Rod doesnt personally insult the umpire, thus does not deserve a kick, A-Rod also has a great coaching staff behind him which does a lot of the coercing for him, I dont watch baseball often, but ive seen people get kicked for swearing into the air, hell Tim Duncan got ejected for laughing in an NBA game. Yes, but has he been BANNED from baseball for a season because of it? Or just penalized in some way. (And I beg to differ on the personally insult the umpire, he's thrown a few words around XD). are you really trying to compare the actions of the MLB, the most successful sport in America, to SC2, a niche hobby?
I fail to see the difference in the argument regarding personal aggression towards the referee (in this case, admin.) remember, I wasn't the one to start the sports analogies. Simply proving a point, WHATEVER people are passionate about, if you make a personal mistake that determines the outcome be prepared for a bit of backlash.
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On August 16 2010 15:53 Sqq wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2010 15:49 BigT wrote:On August 16 2010 15:39 XiaN wrote:
Just to recap the last 15 hours
1.) IdrA refused to let BigT cast his first game after BigT bm'ing IdrA in the ingame chat
2.) HuK forced official gg.net casters to leave his game vs. MorroW because of lag and remade a game with only BigT as caster
3.) After that gg.net refused to let BigT cast the finals of the the EU and US qualifiers and disallowed him to cast the Top8 of the Gosucup. They thought BigT said HuK and MorroW to only let him cast their games ( which is def. not true )
4.) Either StrifeCro or Jobless cheated an caused 2 rounds of the tournament to be replayed
5.) Chill flaming BigT in his BiggerT stream
6.) The whole IdrA vs. ESL thing
Man .. there are golden days to come :D Why is Big T in so many of those #s hahaha xD Like i said, i wasn't trying to "bm" idra, i was being extremely facetious the entire time and i apologize if i offended anyone who thought otherwise. And the gg.net gamers were not allowed to cast because of lag issues, nothing personal against them! <3 you guys :D Hopefully they didn't "ban" me from casting the other rounds because they thought it was something personal D: And yeah about that biggert thing. What was up with that? I'm all for a good joke... but isnt that taking it a little too far? I mean I was told he was actually telling people to spam and troll me.... D: You are starting to do my tits in. If it was facetious or not, you still did it and having so many streamers today you should as a caster stop and think, "Will everyone understand this?". Extremely unproffessional from your part, and you are one of the reasons why this has snowballed out of proportion.
But i explicitly stated multiple times "i was just kidding". Shouldn't people understand that? xD
On August 16 2010 15:53 taLbuk wrote:
Yeah BiggerT was hilarious, not quite over the line, also for the hours I was watching him I never saw him tell people to spam or troll you.
Ahh ok, maybe i was misinformed ^^* I wish i could have seen it :D
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