• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 14:27
CET 20:27
KST 04:27
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA15
StarCraft 2
General
SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating thread
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 501 Price of Progress Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death
Brood War
General
2v2 maps which are SC2 style with teams together? Data analysis on 70 million replays BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone
Tourneys
[BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group B - Sun 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group A - Sat 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Current Meta Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Nintendo Switch Thread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine About SC2SEA.COM
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Health Impact of Joining…
TrAiDoS
Dyadica Evangelium — Chapt…
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2105 users

Intel Extreme Masters Qualification Cups - Page 39

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 37 38 39 40 41 65 Next
mprs
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2933 Posts
August 16 2010 06:30 GMT
#761
starcraft just isn't the same without this level of awesome drama.

Also, going with IdrA on this one. As much of an annoyance he is, he shouldn't even be DQ'd even by ESL rules (as he mentioned). ESL admins really need to stop posting here and just go into damage control
We talkin about PRACTICE
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-16 06:32:27
August 16 2010 06:32 GMT
#762
LOL this thread has gotten over 3k views during the last 5 pages.
Moderator
Boonesbane
Profile Joined May 2010
United States170 Posts
August 16 2010 06:32 GMT
#763
On August 16 2010 15:25 thesighter wrote:
We need contact emails for ESL, IEM, etc.
If all of TL sends an email regarding this, ESL will be forced to make a change.

I tried to provide these, but the http://www.esl-world.net/masters/about/contact/contact page on their website is completely blank. Additionaly, the facebook page linked to in an official thread comes up as non existent. It would seem the TL forums are, for the moment, the best place for us to redress our grievances with ESL.

" good sir, you appear to be somewhat lacking in intelligence. please refrain from posting until this is remedied, since it renders your opinions slightly less than correct and has a tendency to irritate more informed forum-goers. " - Grack "idrA" Fields
Yotsuba
Profile Joined August 2010
7 Posts
August 16 2010 06:34 GMT
#764
On August 16 2010 15:28 Precipice wrote:
The difference between esports and real sports, is people in real sports are taller, and can actually win or lose with dignity and manners.


Have you ever seen real sports? People swear ALL the time on the field. They tell refs "f*ck off", etc a lot, and usually it's a technical foul, yellow card, etc. Sports are vicious, and if a league ever made an announcement that they were banning a player for "bad manners", he better damn well be acting way over the top. Sure, IdrA BMs, but if he were in physical sports, he wouldn't even be known for that.

However, I seem to notice "real" sports leagues being a touch more on the ball. Don't see very many do-overs there.
-Valor-
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States283 Posts
August 16 2010 06:34 GMT
#765
On August 16 2010 15:20 stafu wrote:
I'd like to know what ESL Europe's position is on this.

The only logical move for ESL is to admit they made a mistake regarding what happened with StrifeCro and the non-communication with involved players, and let the games that need to be played, played, and just move on. If they don't, regardless of what they do in the future, this will be remembered and only sour their reputation.

Lol, ESL Europe? ESL Europe apparently owes IdrA money for a tournament around 7 months ago according to IdrA's message on a match that was being streamed. That's probably one of the other reasons IdrA is so pissed off with ESL.
itungle
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States90 Posts
August 16 2010 06:36 GMT
#766
i'm sorry for asking this question because i did not follow IdrA last game so i dont know what happen.. but Did IdrA lose because he was BM or get the 4 points penalty?

Sorry for bother you guys and thank you if you answer this question!
Tasteless: "This turret, is it ever going to complete?" Artosis: "That turret man is like all my highschool papers. Good intentions but it was never gonna finish."
ikanobori
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands17 Posts
August 16 2010 06:37 GMT
#767
On August 16 2010 15:36 itungle wrote:
i'm sorry for asking this question because i did not follow IdrA last game so i dont know what happen.. but Did IdrA lose because he was BM or get the 4 points penalty?

Sorry for bother you guys and thank you if you answer this question!

Apparently banning him for BM but if you read this thread many people doubt this (he only got 2 penalty points and they just tacked an extra few on).
.ImpacT.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States390 Posts
August 16 2010 06:37 GMT
#768
On August 16 2010 15:34 ValorS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 15:20 stafu wrote:
I'd like to know what ESL Europe's position is on this.

The only logical move for ESL is to admit they made a mistake regarding what happened with StrifeCro and the non-communication with involved players, and let the games that need to be played, played, and just move on. If they don't, regardless of what they do in the future, this will be remembered and only sour their reputation.

Lol, ESL Europe? ESL Europe apparently owes IdrA money for a tournament around 7 months ago according to IdrA's message on a match that was being streamed. That's probably one of the other reasons IdrA is so pissed off with ESL.


Idra has every right to be pissed off as it is, and if this is true (first time I've heard about it, but it's more than likely.) then I'm even more behind him with this. ESL really is going to fuck themselves over with this one...
Crazypyro1
Profile Joined May 2010
United States446 Posts
August 16 2010 06:37 GMT
#769
On August 16 2010 15:36 itungle wrote:
i'm sorry for asking this question because i did not follow IdrA last game so i dont know what happen.. but Did IdrA lose because he was BM or get the 4 points penalty?

Sorry for bother you guys and thank you if you answer this question!


Read the thread man... Its a long and complex adventure through the terrors of ESL's disorganization.
G2Wolf
Profile Joined July 2010
United States261 Posts
August 16 2010 06:38 GMT
#770
On August 16 2010 15:34 Yotsuba wrote:
Have you ever seen real sports? People swear ALL the time on the field. They tell refs "f*ck off", etc a lot, and usually it's a technical foul, yellow card, etc.

He's gotten his 2 yellows, and now he's gotten his red by the system for getting too many PP. 2+2=4, 4 PP = 1 week ban.
www.twitter.com/g2wolf
.ImpacT.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States390 Posts
August 16 2010 06:38 GMT
#771
On August 16 2010 15:37 Crazypyro1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 15:36 itungle wrote:
i'm sorry for asking this question because i did not follow IdrA last game so i dont know what happen.. but Did IdrA lose because he was BM or get the 4 points penalty?

Sorry for bother you guys and thank you if you answer this question!


Read the thread man... Its a long and complex adventure through the terrors of ESL's disorganization.


Disorganization AND failed attempts to cover their asses. Don't forget that.
Wi)nD
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada719 Posts
August 16 2010 06:39 GMT
#772
On August 16 2010 15:37 Crazypyro1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 15:36 itungle wrote:
i'm sorry for asking this question because i did not follow IdrA last game so i dont know what happen.. but Did IdrA lose because he was BM or get the 4 points penalty?

Sorry for bother you guys and thank you if you answer this question!


Read the thread man... Its a long and complex adventure through the terrors of ESL's disorganization.


but it is well worth the read :D
Faxmachine
Profile Joined July 2010
United States7 Posts
August 16 2010 06:39 GMT
#773
So the way I see it is that yes, Idra is BM, that's fine. Some people enjoy it and some don't. Does this give reason for the ESL admins to ban him at a spur of the moment when there was no "last straw?" I wouldn't think so, especially in a "professional organization," if you can call it that.

You made a hasty decision and now you don't have a damn clue what to do. I'd take the majority of the advice given here in these last 5 or so pages. Unban him or find the kind people of TL this "last straw" that was the final marking for the judgment in banning this guy.

As stated before, Idra is a professional gamer, he cannot be expected to wait around after finishing his games in case of screw ups from the ESL admins when he has a busy schedule as Artosis put it. He said he'd do a match in an hour, plenty of evidence of that. Please, share your evidence that pertains to his ban.

Very unprofessional of ESL.
"It is only the dead who have seen the end of war" -Plato
XiaN
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany162 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-16 06:41:06
August 16 2010 06:39 GMT
#774
Just to recap the last 15 hours

1.) IdrA refused to let BigT cast his first game after BigT bm'ing IdrA in the ingame chat
2.) HuK forced official gg.net casters to leave his game vs. MorroW because of lag and remade a game with only BigT as caster
3.) After that gg.net refused to let BigT cast the finals of the the EU and US qualifiers and disallowed him to cast the Top8 of the Gosucup. They thought BigT said HuK and MorroW to only let him cast their games ( which is def. not true )
4.) Either StrifeCro or Jobless cheated an caused 2 rounds of the tournament to be replayed
5.) Chill flaming BigT in his BiggerT stream
6.) The whole IdrA vs. ESL thing

Man .. there are golden days to come :D
< (。◕‿‿◕。) > | Former technical admin of ROOT-Gaming (root-gaming.com)
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
August 16 2010 06:39 GMT
#775
On August 16 2010 15:38 G2Wolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 15:34 Yotsuba wrote:
Have you ever seen real sports? People swear ALL the time on the field. They tell refs "f*ck off", etc a lot, and usually it's a technical foul, yellow card, etc.

He's gotten his 2 yellows, and now he's gotten his red by the system for getting too many PP. 2+2=4, 4 PP = 1 week ban.

Am I missing something here, but weren't you saying he's getting a season ban?
danlock2
Profile Joined October 2009
United States6 Posts
August 16 2010 06:39 GMT
#776
On August 16 2010 15:38 G2Wolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 15:34 Yotsuba wrote:
Have you ever seen real sports? People swear ALL the time on the field. They tell refs "f*ck off", etc a lot, and usually it's a technical foul, yellow card, etc.

He's gotten his 2 yellows, and now he's gotten his red by the system for getting too many PP. 2+2=4, 4 PP = 1 week ban.



but where did the 2nd two come from?
.ImpacT.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States390 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-16 06:40:22
August 16 2010 06:39 GMT
#777
On August 16 2010 15:38 G2Wolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 15:34 Yotsuba wrote:
Have you ever seen real sports? People swear ALL the time on the field. They tell refs "f*ck off", etc a lot, and usually it's a technical foul, yellow card, etc.

He's gotten his 2 yellows, and now he's gotten his red by the system for getting too many PP. 2+2=4, 4 PP = 1 week ban.


So he had two, then he suddenly has two more that appear from nowhere.....?

Guess those fans must've thrown in a few cards and you counted those too eh?

DAMN IT, beat me to it. Nice job above poster.

On August 16 2010 15:39 danlock2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 15:38 G2Wolf wrote:
On August 16 2010 15:34 Yotsuba wrote:
Have you ever seen real sports? People swear ALL the time on the field. They tell refs "f*ck off", etc a lot, and usually it's a technical foul, yellow card, etc.

He's gotten his 2 yellows, and now he's gotten his red by the system for getting too many PP. 2+2=4, 4 PP = 1 week ban.



but where did the 2nd two come from?

Holcan
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2593 Posts
August 16 2010 06:40 GMT
#778
On August 16 2010 15:34 Yotsuba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 15:28 Precipice wrote:
The difference between esports and real sports, is people in real sports are taller, and can actually win or lose with dignity and manners.


Have you ever seen real sports? People swear ALL the time on the field. They tell refs "f*ck off", etc a lot, and usually it's a technical foul, yellow card, etc. Sports are vicious, and if a league ever made an announcement that they were banning a player for "bad manners", he better damn well be acting way over the top. Sure, IdrA BMs, but if he were in physical sports, he wouldn't even be known for that.

However, I seem to notice "real" sports leagues being a touch more on the ball. Don't see very many do-overs there.



Well in basketball, and most other sports, the referee holds his own right to eject players at his own discretion, even fans can be ejected for foul behavior. I'd also like to not that the players often swear, but they swear into the air, and not directly at the administrators, referees, and umpires, and even indirect actions can be punished severely. Fines are often handed out if they publicly insult the officiating, its called professionalism.
Reference The Inadvertant Joey, Strong talented orchastrasted intelligent character.
Faxmachine
Profile Joined July 2010
United States7 Posts
August 16 2010 06:40 GMT
#779
On August 16 2010 15:34 ValorS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 15:20 stafu wrote:
I'd like to know what ESL Europe's position is on this.

The only logical move for ESL is to admit they made a mistake regarding what happened with StrifeCro and the non-communication with involved players, and let the games that need to be played, played, and just move on. If they don't, regardless of what they do in the future, this will be remembered and only sour their reputation.

Lol, ESL Europe? ESL Europe apparently owes IdrA money for a tournament around 7 months ago according to IdrA's message on a match that was being streamed. That's probably one of the other reasons IdrA is so pissed off with ESL.



If the money is entitled to Idra and hasn't been paid, I'd sure like to see a reason why for this. He's got a right to be short tempered in such a situation as this.
"It is only the dead who have seen the end of war" -Plato
itungle
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States90 Posts
August 16 2010 06:40 GMT
#780
On August 16 2010 15:37 ikanobori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 15:36 itungle wrote:
i'm sorry for asking this question because i did not follow IdrA last game so i dont know what happen.. but Did IdrA lose because he was BM or get the 4 points penalty?

Sorry for bother you guys and thank you if you answer this question!

Apparently banning him for BM but if you read this thread many people doubt this (he only got 2 penalty points and they just tacked an extra few on).



Yes I been reading to the thread but I dont know if IdrA lost because of his penalty point (disqualify) or he just lost his game?
Tasteless: "This turret, is it ever going to complete?" Artosis: "That turret man is like all my highschool papers. Good intentions but it was never gonna finish."
Prev 1 37 38 39 40 41 65 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 33m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
mouzHeroMarine 283
White-Ra 236
IndyStarCraft 212
BRAT_OK 50
ForJumy 16
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 2721
Rain 2044
Hyuk 863
GuemChi 400
Dewaltoss 99
Backho 82
scan(afreeca) 24
Dota 2
Gorgc7583
Counter-Strike
ScreaM1772
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor617
Other Games
FrodaN3378
Grubby2241
Mlord569
B2W.Neo539
RotterdaM354
mouzStarbuck302
ArmadaUGS120
XaKoH 83
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream22855
Other Games
EGCTV2307
gamesdonequick750
BasetradeTV53
StarCraft 2
angryscii 13
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 20 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH191
• davetesta25
• Kozan
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 26
• Pr0nogo 1
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1936
• Ler79
League of Legends
• Nemesis4105
Other Games
• imaqtpie1074
• Shiphtur340
• tFFMrPink 17
Upcoming Events
IPSL
33m
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
BSL 21
33m
StRyKeR vs Artosis
OyAji vs KameZerg
OSC
3h 33m
OSC
13h 33m
Wardi Open
16h 33m
Monday Night Weeklies
21h 33m
OSC
1d 3h
Wardi Open
1d 16h
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
[ Show More ]
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
LAN Event
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-21
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.