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BigT
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States304 Posts
August 16 2010 06:07 GMT
#721
hey guys i just want to apologize to anyone i offended by the way i spoke with idra, but i am not going to get on my knees for him, i am going to talk to him just like i would talk to anyone else. With that being said, i was also not trying to disrespect or insult him in anyway, i was being quite facetious with my tone ^^* So again i apologize to anyone who thought otherwise.

But thank you for everyone who tuned in tonight and make sure you guys tune in later today (to either mine or iccup's stream) for the semis and finals @ 8pm EST :D
Big T
G2Wolf
Profile Joined July 2010
United States261 Posts
August 16 2010 06:07 GMT
#722
On August 16 2010 15:05 Shatter wrote:
Honestly, I don't know why esl won't just man up and say they were wrong, allow Idra back and just say they will have a 0 tolerance policy for anymore BM from Idra. It would be the most beneficial for both sides.


He's been warned already before this cup that we're not taking any more from him.

On August 16 2010 15:05 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Beef's earlier posted said season, which would be the main reason for people's outrage. If it's a 1 week ban, while still ultimately the wrong decision in this instance, that is at least not ridiculous to the point of absurdity.


http://www.nationalesl.com/us/sc2/1on1/regular_season_cup_3/rules/
"After obtaining 4 penalty points: 1 week barrage"
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thesighter
Profile Joined July 2010
United States347 Posts
August 16 2010 06:08 GMT
#723
On August 16 2010 15:03 psion0011 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 15:01 motbob wrote:
On August 16 2010 14:54 G2Wolf wrote:
On August 16 2010 14:52 revoN wrote:
Very unprofessional of the ESL. This will hurt you more than it'll hurt IdrA in the long run.

It was unprofessional to give IdrA multiple warnings instead of following our own penalty procedure for the multiple times he's broken our rules, he should have about 10 PP by now instead of just 4. He doesn't want to follow our rules, he's no longer allowed in our cups.

Again, what was the "straw that broke the camel's back" here? I don't understand why Idra gets banned now. Was the reason Idra getting pissed at one of your admin's incompetence? Did he use too many mean words?

Yea we should just let idra swear and bm as much as he wants that's how real professional tournaments are run.


Read the thread again. Banning idra for bm was used as an excuse for the tourney organizers to cover their ass for their organizational fuckups. idra (rightfully) called them out for their incompetence, this pissed them off.

crazeman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
664 Posts
August 16 2010 06:08 GMT
#724
So what you're telling me is that if the strifecro "mistake" (I don't want to call it "cheating" since his side of the story is a possibility since the event seems badly organized) haven't been caught, idra wouldn't have been disqualified? what a joke.
ikanobori
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands17 Posts
August 16 2010 06:08 GMT
#725
First of all I'd like to thank the ESL for organizing this tournament and doing good stuff for e-sports all around. I have helped organise a tournament and I know it is hard.

However.

I do not condone of this decision. I think it is unprofessional and right now it has all the looks of either doing it for publicity, doing it to cover up previous mistakes or because of emotions getting in the way of rational thinking.

Just give IdrA those penalty points and don't throw him out of the tournament. For me, IdrA is one of the reasons on which tournaments I pick to watch and this goes for a lot of people out there.

As you, the admins, can see the public does not respond very well to these kind of things. This means you either should have the public more involved in decision making or your decision is plain wrong. Most people on team liquid here are schooled in tournaments so seeing this kind of backlash happen here is *not* a reminder of good decision making.

Hope you figure this out but I think the damage has already been done, it would hurt the ESLs reputation even more if you now revert this change. Except if you go the long way, full statement on what went wrong and what you are going to do to prevent this from ever happening again.

Even then, I have to see IdrA accept that as a solution as the damage has been done :-(
Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
August 16 2010 06:08 GMT
#726
Zing!
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.ImpacT.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States390 Posts
August 16 2010 06:08 GMT
#727
I concur with the "TeamLiquid Boycott ESL" theory. All in favor of making an actual thread/poll?
Boonesbane
Profile Joined May 2010
United States170 Posts
August 16 2010 06:10 GMT
#728
On August 16 2010 15:07 BigT wrote:
hey guys i just want to apologize to anyone i offended by the way i spoke with idra, but i am not going to get on my knees for him, i am going to talk to him just like i would talk to anyone else. With that being said, i was also not trying to disrespect or insult him in anyway, i was being quite facetious with my tone ^^* So again i apologize to anyone who thought otherwise.

But thank you for everyone who tuned in tonight and make sure you guys tune in later today (to either mine or iccup's stream) for the semis and finals @ 8pm EST :D

Don't worry about it BigT. Anyone who says this issue is related to you isn't paying enough attention. IdrA has stated multiple times he would have had a problem with an other streamer, and that you in no way "provoked him".
Side note; great stream today, i was in for all 12 hours (or maybe it ended up being 13).
" good sir, you appear to be somewhat lacking in intelligence. please refrain from posting until this is remedied, since it renders your opinions slightly less than correct and has a tendency to irritate more informed forum-goers. " - Grack "idrA" Fields
Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-16 06:10:41
August 16 2010 06:10 GMT
#729
On August 16 2010 15:07 G2Wolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 15:05 Shatter wrote:
Honestly, I don't know why esl won't just man up and say they were wrong, allow Idra back and just say they will have a 0 tolerance policy for anymore BM from Idra. It would be the most beneficial for both sides.


He's been warned already before this cup that we're not taking any more from him.

That's fine and you've made this point clear. But then why did you even allow him to play all the way through the tournament if his previous behavior is what constitutes the ban? You still haven't answered that.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
August 16 2010 06:10 GMT
#730
On August 16 2010 15:07 G2Wolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 15:05 Shatter wrote:
Honestly, I don't know why esl won't just man up and say they were wrong, allow Idra back and just say they will have a 0 tolerance policy for anymore BM from Idra. It would be the most beneficial for both sides.


He's been warned already before this cup that we're not taking any more from him.

Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 15:05 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Beef's earlier posted said season, which would be the main reason for people's outrage. If it's a 1 week ban, while still ultimately the wrong decision in this instance, that is at least not ridiculous to the point of absurdity.


http://www.nationalesl.com/us/sc2/1on1/regular_season_cup_3/rules/
"After obtaining 4 penalty points: 1 week barrage"

"Unsportsmanlike conduct throughout the cup ingame against players and casters and against esl on forums, no intent to continue playing the cup"
i clearly expressed intent to continue playing the cup, and its your own fault for not contacting me that you werent aware of it directly. again, you cannot expect me to hang around after finishing my matches just in case you fucked something up. also there was no unsportsmanlike conduct after the first round where i disallowed the caster, which caused the first 2 penalty points.

and on top of all that beef said i was banned for the season, 4 points is only a 1 week ban.

so ya, you're awful.
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psion0011
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada720 Posts
August 16 2010 06:11 GMT
#731
On August 16 2010 15:08 thesighter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 15:03 psion0011 wrote:
On August 16 2010 15:01 motbob wrote:
On August 16 2010 14:54 G2Wolf wrote:
On August 16 2010 14:52 revoN wrote:
Very unprofessional of the ESL. This will hurt you more than it'll hurt IdrA in the long run.

It was unprofessional to give IdrA multiple warnings instead of following our own penalty procedure for the multiple times he's broken our rules, he should have about 10 PP by now instead of just 4. He doesn't want to follow our rules, he's no longer allowed in our cups.

Again, what was the "straw that broke the camel's back" here? I don't understand why Idra gets banned now. Was the reason Idra getting pissed at one of your admin's incompetence? Did he use too many mean words?

Yea we should just let idra swear and bm as much as he wants that's how real professional tournaments are run.


Read the thread again. Banning idra for bm was used as an excuse for the tourney organizers to cover their ass for their organizational fuckups. idra (rightfully) called them out for their incompetence, this pissed them off.


A footy ref can make a bad call but the players still aren't allowed to tell him to fuck off sorry.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
August 16 2010 06:11 GMT
#732
On August 16 2010 15:07 G2Wolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 15:05 Shatter wrote:
Honestly, I don't know why esl won't just man up and say they were wrong, allow Idra back and just say they will have a 0 tolerance policy for anymore BM from Idra. It would be the most beneficial for both sides.


He's been warned already before this cup that we're not taking any more from him.

Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 15:05 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Beef's earlier posted said season, which would be the main reason for people's outrage. If it's a 1 week ban, while still ultimately the wrong decision in this instance, that is at least not ridiculous to the point of absurdity.


http://www.nationalesl.com/us/sc2/1on1/regular_season_cup_3/rules/
"After obtaining 4 penalty points: 1 week barrage"


The rules were posted, but quite frankly given the situation when somebody with an esl tag claims season, it's not hard to believe that is the new course of action. Good to know it's not completely absurd.

While I love idra's Bm at times, a little cleanup from time to time or smack on the wrists also isn't the end of the world. However, esl should apologize formally for wasting his time since the penalty from denying the obs was early in the tournament.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
BigT
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States304 Posts
August 16 2010 06:12 GMT
#733
On August 16 2010 15:10 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 15:07 G2Wolf wrote:
On August 16 2010 15:05 Shatter wrote:
Honestly, I don't know why esl won't just man up and say they were wrong, allow Idra back and just say they will have a 0 tolerance policy for anymore BM from Idra. It would be the most beneficial for both sides.


He's been warned already before this cup that we're not taking any more from him.

On August 16 2010 15:05 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Beef's earlier posted said season, which would be the main reason for people's outrage. If it's a 1 week ban, while still ultimately the wrong decision in this instance, that is at least not ridiculous to the point of absurdity.


http://www.nationalesl.com/us/sc2/1on1/regular_season_cup_3/rules/
"After obtaining 4 penalty points: 1 week barrage"

"Unsportsmanlike conduct throughout the cup ingame against players and casters and against esl on forums, no intent to continue playing the cup"
i clearly expressed intent to continue playing the cup, and its your own fault for not contacting me that you werent aware of it directly. again, you cannot expect me to hang around after finishing my matches just in case you fucked something up. also there was no unsportsmanlike conduct after the first round where i disallowed the caster, which caused the first 2 penalty points.

and on top of all that beef said i was banned for the season, 4 points is only a 1 week ban.

so ya, you're awful.


I will defend idra here, he did let me cast beyond the first round xD
Big T
stiknork
Profile Joined August 2007
United States128 Posts
August 16 2010 06:13 GMT
#734
If you're running a tournament with serious prize money, just don't post on forums for the duration of the tournament in anything but a totally professional context. Any decision like this should be posted on the website of the tournament as an official decision.

I don't get how that's anything but the most obvious of the obvious of Admin 101, especially when you're hosting a tournament with a 10k prize pool. Your sponsors should be ashamed.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
August 16 2010 06:13 GMT
#735
and i just realized, you JUST added the 2nd set of penalty points despite there being no instances of bm before you disqualified me.

people noticed that i had 2, and only 2, penalty points after i wouldnt let the caster in. and nothing has happened since then. so you just added 2 more points with absolutely no justification in order to cover your asses.

you people are a joke.
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.ImpacT.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States390 Posts
August 16 2010 06:13 GMT
#736
On August 16 2010 15:10 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2010 15:07 G2Wolf wrote:
On August 16 2010 15:05 Shatter wrote:
Honestly, I don't know why esl won't just man up and say they were wrong, allow Idra back and just say they will have a 0 tolerance policy for anymore BM from Idra. It would be the most beneficial for both sides.


He's been warned already before this cup that we're not taking any more from him.

On August 16 2010 15:05 I_Love_Bacon wrote:
Beef's earlier posted said season, which would be the main reason for people's outrage. If it's a 1 week ban, while still ultimately the wrong decision in this instance, that is at least not ridiculous to the point of absurdity.


http://www.nationalesl.com/us/sc2/1on1/regular_season_cup_3/rules/
"After obtaining 4 penalty points: 1 week barrage"

"Unsportsmanlike conduct throughout the cup ingame against players and casters and against esl on forums, no intent to continue playing the cup"
i clearly expressed intent to continue playing the cup, and its your own fault for not contacting me that you werent aware of it directly. again, you cannot expect me to hang around after finishing my matches just in case you fucked something up. also there was no unsportsmanlike conduct after the first round where i disallowed the caster, which caused the first 2 penalty points.

and on top of all that beef said i was banned for the season, 4 points is only a 1 week ban.

so ya, you're awful.


Bingo.
you cannot expect me to hang around after finishing my matches just in case you fucked something up
Says all that needs to be said.
CaptnIgnit
Profile Joined May 2010
United States192 Posts
August 16 2010 06:14 GMT
#737
On August 16 2010 15:11 psion0011 wrote:
A footy ref can make a bad call but the players still aren't allowed to tell him to fuck off sorry.


have you seen baseball? you know when the one of the umpires makes a bad call?

I'm pretty sure the coaches don't go out there to tell him what a great job he did.
Guilt
Profile Joined August 2010
United States48 Posts
August 16 2010 06:14 GMT
#738
Your sponsors should be ashamed.
Yotsuba
Profile Joined August 2010
7 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-16 06:18:38
August 16 2010 06:16 GMT
#739
On August 16 2010 15:08 .ImpacT. wrote:
I concur with the "TeamLiquid Boycott ESL" theory. All in favor of making an actual thread/poll?


If they can ban IdrA for unsportsman-like conduct, we can boycott ESL for un-league-like conduct. I say do it.

On August 16 2010 15:11 psion0011 wrote:
A footy ref can make a bad call but the players still aren't allowed to tell him to fuck off sorry.

edit: obviously you are not familiar with real sports. Id' say refs will let it go about 25% of the time, and give the player a technical foul (or yellow card, etc).
Boonesbane
Profile Joined May 2010
United States170 Posts
August 16 2010 06:16 GMT
#740
On August 16 2010 15:13 IdrA wrote:
and i just realized, you JUST added the 2nd set of penalty points despite there being no instances of bm before you disqualified me.

people noticed that i had 2, and only 2, penalty points after i wouldnt let the caster in. and nothing has happened since then. so you just added 2 more points with absolutely no justification in order to cover your asses.

you people are a joke.

This is the most relevant point of the thread. There is nothing in the ESL rules that allows for the retroactive adding of PPs. IdrA's violation (not letting in the caster) earns him 2 PPs not 4, regardless of how mad it made the tourney admins.
" good sir, you appear to be somewhat lacking in intelligence. please refrain from posting until this is remedied, since it renders your opinions slightly less than correct and has a tendency to irritate more informed forum-goers. " - Grack "idrA" Fields
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