EPTBut thank you for everyone who tuned in tonight and make sure you guys tune in later today (to either mine or iccup's stream) for the semis and finals @ 8pm EST :D
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BigT
United States304 Posts
But thank you for everyone who tuned in tonight and make sure you guys tune in later today (to either mine or iccup's stream) for the semis and finals @ 8pm EST :D | ||
G2Wolf
United States261 Posts
On August 16 2010 15:05 Shatter wrote: Honestly, I don't know why esl won't just man up and say they were wrong, allow Idra back and just say they will have a 0 tolerance policy for anymore BM from Idra. It would be the most beneficial for both sides. He's been warned already before this cup that we're not taking any more from him. On August 16 2010 15:05 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Beef's earlier posted said season, which would be the main reason for people's outrage. If it's a 1 week ban, while still ultimately the wrong decision in this instance, that is at least not ridiculous to the point of absurdity. http://www.nationalesl.com/us/sc2/1on1/regular_season_cup_3/rules/ "After obtaining 4 penalty points: 1 week barrage" | ||
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thesighter
United States347 Posts
On August 16 2010 15:03 psion0011 wrote: Yea we should just let idra swear and bm as much as he wants that's how real professional tournaments are run. Read the thread again. Banning idra for bm was used as an excuse for the tourney organizers to cover their ass for their organizational fuckups. idra (rightfully) called them out for their incompetence, this pissed them off. | ||
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crazeman
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ikanobori
Netherlands17 Posts
However. I do not condone of this decision. I think it is unprofessional and right now it has all the looks of either doing it for publicity, doing it to cover up previous mistakes or because of emotions getting in the way of rational thinking. Just give IdrA those penalty points and don't throw him out of the tournament. For me, IdrA is one of the reasons on which tournaments I pick to watch and this goes for a lot of people out there. As you, the admins, can see the public does not respond very well to these kind of things. This means you either should have the public more involved in decision making or your decision is plain wrong. Most people on team liquid here are schooled in tournaments so seeing this kind of backlash happen here is *not* a reminder of good decision making. Hope you figure this out but I think the damage has already been done, it would hurt the ESLs reputation even more if you now revert this change. Except if you go the long way, full statement on what went wrong and what you are going to do to prevent this from ever happening again. Even then, I have to see IdrA accept that as a solution as the damage has been done :-( | ||
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Artosis
United States2140 Posts
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.ImpacT.
United States390 Posts
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Boonesbane
United States170 Posts
On August 16 2010 15:07 BigT wrote: hey guys i just want to apologize to anyone i offended by the way i spoke with idra, but i am not going to get on my knees for him, i am going to talk to him just like i would talk to anyone else. With that being said, i was also not trying to disrespect or insult him in anyway, i was being quite facetious with my tone ^^* So again i apologize to anyone who thought otherwise. But thank you for everyone who tuned in tonight and make sure you guys tune in later today (to either mine or iccup's stream) for the semis and finals @ 8pm EST :D Don't worry about it BigT. Anyone who says this issue is related to you isn't paying enough attention. IdrA has stated multiple times he would have had a problem with an other streamer, and that you in no way "provoked him". Side note; great stream today, i was in for all 12 hours (or maybe it ended up being 13). | ||
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Shatter
United States1401 Posts
On August 16 2010 15:07 G2Wolf wrote: That's fine and you've made this point clear. But then why did you even allow him to play all the way through the tournament if his previous behavior is what constitutes the ban? You still haven't answered that. He's been warned already before this cup that we're not taking any more from him. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On August 16 2010 15:07 G2Wolf wrote: He's been warned already before this cup that we're not taking any more from him. http://www.nationalesl.com/us/sc2/1on1/regular_season_cup_3/rules/ "After obtaining 4 penalty points: 1 week barrage" "Unsportsmanlike conduct throughout the cup ingame against players and casters and against esl on forums, no intent to continue playing the cup" i clearly expressed intent to continue playing the cup, and its your own fault for not contacting me that you werent aware of it directly. again, you cannot expect me to hang around after finishing my matches just in case you fucked something up. also there was no unsportsmanlike conduct after the first round where i disallowed the caster, which caused the first 2 penalty points. and on top of all that beef said i was banned for the season, 4 points is only a 1 week ban. so ya, you're awful. | ||
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psion0011
Canada720 Posts
On August 16 2010 15:08 thesighter wrote: Read the thread again. Banning idra for bm was used as an excuse for the tourney organizers to cover their ass for their organizational fuckups. idra (rightfully) called them out for their incompetence, this pissed them off. A footy ref can make a bad call but the players still aren't allowed to tell him to fuck off sorry. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On August 16 2010 15:07 G2Wolf wrote: He's been warned already before this cup that we're not taking any more from him. http://www.nationalesl.com/us/sc2/1on1/regular_season_cup_3/rules/ "After obtaining 4 penalty points: 1 week barrage" The rules were posted, but quite frankly given the situation when somebody with an esl tag claims season, it's not hard to believe that is the new course of action. Good to know it's not completely absurd. While I love idra's Bm at times, a little cleanup from time to time or smack on the wrists also isn't the end of the world. However, esl should apologize formally for wasting his time since the penalty from denying the obs was early in the tournament. | ||
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BigT
United States304 Posts
On August 16 2010 15:10 IdrA wrote: "Unsportsmanlike conduct throughout the cup ingame against players and casters and against esl on forums, no intent to continue playing the cup" i clearly expressed intent to continue playing the cup, and its your own fault for not contacting me that you werent aware of it directly. again, you cannot expect me to hang around after finishing my matches just in case you fucked something up. also there was no unsportsmanlike conduct after the first round where i disallowed the caster, which caused the first 2 penalty points. and on top of all that beef said i was banned for the season, 4 points is only a 1 week ban. so ya, you're awful. I will defend idra here, he did let me cast beyond the first round xD | ||
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stiknork
United States128 Posts
I don't get how that's anything but the most obvious of the obvious of Admin 101, especially when you're hosting a tournament with a 10k prize pool. Your sponsors should be ashamed. | ||
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
people noticed that i had 2, and only 2, penalty points after i wouldnt let the caster in. and nothing has happened since then. so you just added 2 more points with absolutely no justification in order to cover your asses. you people are a joke. | ||
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.ImpacT.
United States390 Posts
On August 16 2010 15:10 IdrA wrote: "Unsportsmanlike conduct throughout the cup ingame against players and casters and against esl on forums, no intent to continue playing the cup" i clearly expressed intent to continue playing the cup, and its your own fault for not contacting me that you werent aware of it directly. again, you cannot expect me to hang around after finishing my matches just in case you fucked something up. also there was no unsportsmanlike conduct after the first round where i disallowed the caster, which caused the first 2 penalty points. and on top of all that beef said i was banned for the season, 4 points is only a 1 week ban. so ya, you're awful. Bingo. you cannot expect me to hang around after finishing my matches just in case you fucked something up Says all that needs to be said. | ||
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CaptnIgnit
United States192 Posts
On August 16 2010 15:11 psion0011 wrote: A footy ref can make a bad call but the players still aren't allowed to tell him to fuck off sorry. have you seen baseball? you know when the one of the umpires makes a bad call? I'm pretty sure the coaches don't go out there to tell him what a great job he did. | ||
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Guilt
United States48 Posts
Your sponsors should be ashamed. | ||
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Yotsuba
7 Posts
On August 16 2010 15:08 .ImpacT. wrote: I concur with the "TeamLiquid Boycott ESL" theory. All in favor of making an actual thread/poll? If they can ban IdrA for unsportsman-like conduct, we can boycott ESL for un-league-like conduct. I say do it. On August 16 2010 15:11 psion0011 wrote: A footy ref can make a bad call but the players still aren't allowed to tell him to fuck off sorry. edit: obviously you are not familiar with real sports. Id' say refs will let it go about 25% of the time, and give the player a technical foul (or yellow card, etc). | ||
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Boonesbane
United States170 Posts
On August 16 2010 15:13 IdrA wrote: and i just realized, you JUST added the 2nd set of penalty points despite there being no instances of bm before you disqualified me. people noticed that i had 2, and only 2, penalty points after i wouldnt let the caster in. and nothing has happened since then. so you just added 2 more points with absolutely no justification in order to cover your asses. you people are a joke. This is the most relevant point of the thread. There is nothing in the ESL rules that allows for the retroactive adding of PPs. IdrA's violation (not letting in the caster) earns him 2 PPs not 4, regardless of how mad it made the tourney admins. | ||
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