On September 15 2010 09:26 Xeris wrote: Because I'm speaking for others who wanted to see this tournament happen the way it should have happened? Because I have players in this event so I'd like to see it get over with? Because this event cost my own league sponsorship?
You apparently didn't read my post. This tournament was so bad that iFixit literally isn't interested in sponsoring more SC2 in the near future (sucks for me).
I'm not blaming you per se, I think you have good intentions (like I said) but just messed it up.
That's the thing, it's not your tournament so you don't get to say how it should have happened. Your player(s) should be happy they can participate, and if waiting for the RO16 schedule is too burdening there's no-one stoppping TTOne from quitting ... he seemed to think Dimaga was more deserving of his spot anyway. And once again, how did I "cost you" league sponsorship? If it weren't for this tournament you wouldn't even know iFixit existed. And who says iFixit was even interested in further sponsoring SC2 events? Blaming me for such a thing is just silly.
Alright, this is getting a bit to heated and I think we can all agree on some points: 1.There are some things that could've gone better 2.We still have a hell of a good tournament waiting.
With that, Saechiis what's the situation? How long until Ro16?
No-one is denying things could have gone better. In fact I have learned a lot of stuff I can improve on in organisational aspect. There's a difference though between constructive criticism and just outright trying to kick someone into the ground as Xeris is doing. He has me on MSN and can talk to me about every little complaint he has, but instead of taking it up with me and assisting me in running a better tournament he continuously chooses to publicly criticise me. If he was truly interested in upkeeping the credibility of the GGi and its sponsors he wouldn't abuse his established name to make a public spectacle.
Fact of the matter is, Xeris has nothing to say about the GGi or how it's organised and his players would be better served with a manager that isn't so agressive towards organisers of tournaments they're participating in.
Long time reader, first time contributor. To Saechiis I think you are kinda missing the point. You are trying to paint yourself as the innocent admin who got caught in a whirlwind of PLAYER ineptitude and decry the mockery that the community commits you with. However you must also realize taking everything into account this has been one of the most poorly run tournaments to date. You said something along the lines of "experience is the best teacher" (or something very close to it) but for the sake of the TL community and my patience that you NEVER ever organize another tournament. If what Xeris says is true, then you have effectively lessened the enthusiasm gap between potential sponsors and the community. I really hope, for your sake, that this tournament can conclude with all the matches played (some of them look sick!) but also in saying that I wish that this is the last tournament you organize (I don't wanna sound like a jerk but you have to consider the idea that there might be other people that are MORE suited to run tournaments and sponsor money being so scarce you should probably let them run these things).
On September 15 2010 14:56 Clodius wrote: Long time reader, first time contributor. To Saechiis I think you are kinda missing the point. You are trying to paint yourself as the innocent admin who got caught in a whirlwind of PLAYER ineptitude and decry the mockery that the community commits you with. However you must also realize taking everything into account this has been one of the most poorly run tournaments to date. You said something along the lines of "experience is the best teacher" (or something very close to it) but for the sake of the TL community and my patience that you NEVER ever organize another tournament. If what Xeris says is true, then you have effectively lessened the enthusiasm gap between potential sponsors and the community. I really hope, for your sake, that this tournament can conclude with all the matches played (some of them look sick!) but also in saying that I wish that this is the last tournament you organize (I don't wanna sound like a jerk but you have to consider the idea that there might be other people that are MORE suited to run tournaments and sponsor money being so scarce you should probably let them run these things).
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I wouldn't call your post a contribution, but it's the perfect example of what I meant with random people hopping on the bandwagon without knowing what goes on behind the scenes. The GGi is the first tournament of it's kind since the release of SC2, so saying it's the most poorly run tournament to date isn't saying much. And while the tournament certainly hasn't panned out the way I envisioned it, it also isn't as bad a some people make it out te be.
The main criticism is that running the qualifiers has taken a lot longer than originally planned. Sure, that sucks, but taking the time is much better than disqualifying 50% of people because of lack of cross-server and miscommunications. I also hope you realize that getting sponsors in the first place is very important, it's not like I stole them away from other tournaments.
Unfortunately you do kinda sound like a jerk, and I find you suspiciously sassy for a first time poster ... Apparently you are the kind of person that would immediately give up after not meeting expectations. I'd rather learn my lesson and improve to do better next time.
And please stop pretending that running a tournament is somehow bad for the community. Ofcourse it's going to bother me that people are pretending I'm the boogieman, while I'm just a guy trying to organise a cool tournament for the community to enjoy. That the tournament isn't running as fast as most people would like it to doesn't mean I'm somehow wronging everyone.
On September 15 2010 16:16 nihlon wrote: Sorry if some people actually takes the word of the players rather than the tournament admin. Shocking.
You mean the 2 players that came to the thread complaining as opposed to the 126 that didn't? Way to read between the lines.
As for something that's actually relevant to the tournament: I'm waiting for confirmation that Tester will be playing the RO16. Since he's not with oGs anymore it's practically impossible to get a hold of him.
I think the main issue here is not so much with the organisers as such but with the problem of running a non-invite large scale tournament (something lots of the players and a large part of the community has always demanded) without having the necessary infrastructure/web service to make sure it runs smoothly (a page to generate a grid is not enough for such a big tournament, it needs to be an integrated service with chat, instant messaging, seeing online status etc.).
128 non-professional players is just too much to handle with this setup unless you are willing to hand out walkovers left and right with tight deadlines but then you will always have the problem of who are you giving it when you have no integrated service to check who tried to contact whom and whose fault it is that the game isn't played.
Of course with massive manpower it might be possible to run it just like it was attempted but this tournament shows why most casters stick to invite tournaments. And wasn't this Tournament a Invite Tournament in the beginning and just changed to open qualifiers because of the public demand?
Xeris, there is so many sponsors for Starcraft II Tournaments that you really shouldn't blame Saechiis for ruining your League, if you can't find another sponsor you wouldn't have been able to find ifixit without this tournament anyways as your sponsor finding skills seem to lack then. (Of course it never is good if a sponsor gets disappointed but life isn't perfect and often enough its the sponsors who don't uphold their promises).
I used to run alot of successful tournaments in another game (Action Quake2) and there is so much work you have to put into it if you are a newbie at it. To host such a huge tournament and being fresh can be nerve wrecking and extremly difficult. I feel for you Saechiis, but you need experience for big things like this and you need experienced people around you. Having people that hold some degree off respect from the players also helps (I'm not saying they don't respect you, but community respect goes along way with this).
I wish you all the best on this and hope that it goes well in the end. I've been in your spot before, and I can only give you the advice that it will get better with time. Everyone starts out somewhere, and when mistakes happen just be sure to learn from them.
On September 15 2010 16:16 nihlon wrote: Sorry if some people actually takes the word of the players rather than the tournament admin. Shocking.
You mean the 2 players that came to the thread complaining as opposed to the 126 that didn't? Way to read between the lines.
As for something that's actually relevant to the tournament: I'm waiting for confirmation that Tester will be playing the RO16. Since he's not with oGs anymore it's practically impossible to get a hold of him.
Cella werra knows tester. And I'm sure people know cella werra.
On September 15 2010 16:16 nihlon wrote: Sorry if some people actually takes the word of the players rather than the tournament admin. Shocking.
You mean the 2 players that came to the thread complaining as opposed to the 126 that didn't? Way to read between the lines.
As for something that's actually relevant to the tournament: I'm waiting for confirmation that Tester will be playing the RO16. Since he's not with oGs anymore it's practically impossible to get a hold of him.
Most players don't go and voice their concerns publicly, so when several do it is indicative of something. Your extremely defense posts doesn't help either. You have been very condescending (or more passive aggressive) in multiple post in this thread so you brought much on yourself. Once again, sorry if not everyone instantly see the greatness that is you and I'm sure all 126 players love the way this tournament has been handled...
On September 15 2010 15:53 Saechiis wrote: The main criticism is that running the qualifiers has taken a lot longer than originally planned. Sure, that sucks, but taking the time is much better than disqualifying 50% of people because of lack of cross-server and miscommunications.
I think all this tournament lacks is a schedule. A schedule for the players so they get their games in before a deadline. A schedule for the viewers so they can keep track of the games and follow the tourney, for example cast the replays every Friday, so people know to tune in for it on Fridays.
On September 16 2010 00:35 JQL wrote: I think all this tournament lacks is a schedule. A schedule for the players so they get their games in before a deadline. A schedule for the viewers so they can keep track of the games and follow the tourney, for example cast the replays every Friday, so people know to tune in for it on Fridays.
Once the round of 16 starts we will (hopefully) be casting the games on a set day on our Ustream. There will be a way for the fans to follow easily if the scheduling works different than it did in the qualifiers.
Tournament admins aren't doing the world a favor by running a poor tournament. You can't just say "well we did all the work, why are you complaining." That's not how it works. People have the right to complain about a poorly run tournament. Xeris has a right to be upset with how this tournament is being run as the players he manages are still in it and this has caused potential sponsors to not be interested in other tournaments because of their experience with this particular tournament. You're trying, which is great, but don't expect people to just smile and wave when things start to not go as planned.
On September 16 2010 00:49 Alou wrote: Tournament admins aren't doing the world a favor by running a poor tournament. You can't just say "well we did all the work, why are you complaining." That's not how it works. People have the right to complain about a poorly run tournament. Xeris has a right to be upset with how this tournament is being run as the players he manages are still in it and this has caused potential sponsors to not be interested in other tournaments because of their experience with this particular tournament. You're trying, which is great, but don't expect people to just smile and wave when things start to not go as planned.
Although, I'm pretty sure what sponsors hate most is bad publicity, not the fact that the schedule is behind its original plan (it was to be expected and it's really not that big of a deal). Drama could of been handled outside of this thread, since it didn't make any contribution to this tournament.
You can't expect the hype to last all months. But trust me, once this thing hits RO16, it will be back.
Anyhow, can't wait for the rest of the tournament!
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