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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44359 Posts
But honestly, I'm pretty shocked at Artosis's words and his level of anger. Sure, it's considered good manners to "gg" and leave when you consider yourself dead, but it's not Slush's fault that Artosis's computer disconnected before Artosis beat Slush. I understand that it was a crappy situation for everyone involved, but I don't think Artosis handled it the way the awesome Artosis should have handled it :-/ Kinda let me down, as a fan. | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
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CCGaunt
United States417 Posts
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cartoon]x
United States606 Posts
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Whyzguy
Canada263 Posts
I tried to read the posts you all made but I'm afraid there's way too many and not much variation between them. Let me put this into perspective for you peoeple. In just about every sport there are referees. And in these sports, you will be able to find a history of bad calls by these refs. Now you may not feel that e-sports should be included into sports so how about we broaden this to competitions? You will be able to find referees everywhere and again, you will be able to find bad calls. In most cases, an appology is given. In some cases not even that. I don't see why this is an exception. We treat this as a serious competition but cannot deal with the calls by the refs. I'm not sure what more people expect other than having them recognize their faults, admitting to them and appologizing for them. | ||
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Wi)nD
Canada719 Posts
well down by tl to handle the situation at hand the best they possibly could | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
On May 09 2010 16:02 charlesatan wrote: The problem with your Magic: The Gathering example is not you didn't give a concrete example. Is it a case of the winning player not "tapping their land to gain mana" before casting their game-winning spell? Talented and skilled players have lost because of this technicality but it's the rules. Is this the kind of rules lawyering you're talking about? No, your statement shows that you don't even understand tournament rules in Magic. The absurd scenario you attempted to describe is an impossibility, it's impossible to 1) attempt to make a play without tapping land 2) given a game loss to do so. However, more to the point. There are many examples in Magic, but I will give you a simple one. There are a set of cards called "pacts". These pacts are cards you can play for free. However, on your next time, if you do not pay a set cost for the pact at the beginning of your turn (before you draw a card), then you lose the game. However, it is also in the rules that the opponent of the player who played the pact must also remind the player who cast the pact to pay for it at the beginning of their turn (stop them from drawing a card for an autoloss). However, a lot of players intentionally let their opponent draw a card without paying for the pact. Upon investigation, the player who "forgot" to remind their opponent just feigns ignorance or claims they forgot too and they simply get off with a warning. A famous player named Kenji Tsumura is known as a guy of extremely good character - He would always stop his opponents and remind them to pay for their pact even if it meant he would lose the game. Well, while I'm at it, one more example. In magic, there is a time limit for each round. There are many rules against this, but it doesn't deter it - "Slow play". A player, who feels they have no chance to win or the odds are against them, will attempt to deliberately play slow in order to get a draw. For example, even if they are beat, they will take the maximum amount of time they can without getting warned for it just so they can get a draw. There have been a lot of famous examples where it's obvious to everyone that player X has lost the game, but kept playing to suck up time instead of conceding. When asked why they didn't just concede, they simply said "I think I still had a chance to win" when it was obvious that they didn't. Additionally, many players will win their first game (since matches are best out of 3), and intentionally play slow in the 2nd game to eat up time (if the second game is a draw, whoever wins the first game wins the match in a time dispute). Also, there is a period where players can modify their decks between games and you must also shuffle your deck and your opponents. Some players will intentionally shuffle and sideboard longer in order to eat up time. Yes, the example does apply. Character vs. winning. | ||
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BluApex
United States26 Posts
This is still not an apology and I think a formal one should be written to artosis by the judges of the tournament. | ||
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cartoon]x
United States606 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44359 Posts
On May 09 2010 16:49 BluApex wrote: 1 million jaedongs, each controlling only 1 unit, would lose in that situation. Hey now, let's not be hasty! jk ;-) | ||
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cartoon]x
United States606 Posts
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Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4511 Posts
On May 09 2010 11:49 skYfiVe wrote: There isn't a much better way to put it then TL just did, and there is no right or wrong. Sure Slush probably knew he was going to lose, but who is going to admit to that when money is on the line? To me this is the only thing to take from this. I can't believe a player who's been invited to a tournament for the beta of a game would try to get a regame when he is skilled enough to know that he had lost the game beyond a shadow of doubt. Mistakes happen, it was not TL's intention at all to do anything but the right thing here. And a showmatch with Artosis seems like a great way to fix this. But man...Slush...how badly do you need money? :S | ||
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Jugan
United States1566 Posts
On May 09 2010 16:53 cartoon]x wrote: 1 million jaedogs controlling only a few mutas? That would crash the game for sure I don't think he was being literal | ||
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holy_war
United States3590 Posts
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cartoon]x
United States606 Posts
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zerglingsfolife
United States1694 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/749/slushartosis.png)  I think the most important thing is to improve the policy so this doesn't happen in a bigger tournament on a bigger stage. TL already said they will get a couple of high level players to be available to judge a replay in the future, so that is a positive we can all take from this. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On May 09 2010 16:58 zerglingsfolife wrote: I think the most important thing is to improve the policy so this doesn't happen in a bigger tournament on a bigger stage. TL already said they will get a couple of high level players to be available to judge a replay in the future, so that is a positive we can all take from this. I LOL'd | ||
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
That being said, mistakes happen. I'm disappointed in Slush and I have to agree with Ret when he says how badly did you need the money Slush? Finally, I'd like to say that my faith in TL is restored, and I'm happy we can all be civil once again. | ||
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KatanaSwordfish
United States2 Posts
On May 09 2010 13:26 jax1492 wrote: This is what Artosis devotes his life and career too.... its more than a game to him. but ya i think he could have handled him self a bit better, but as you see he was right about the situation. i would like to see a show match when things blow over, i think it would be a great game. If Artosis has devoted his whole life and career to SC and SC2, he should invest in a better computer that doesn't crash. If you're a pro bungee jumper and your bungee cable snaps because you decided you didn't want to invest in a professional quality set-up, it's your own fault. If Artosis is truly serious about professional gaming he should invest in a gaming rig with enough power and stability to run the game properly. Instead, Artosis would rather play on a crappy setup and use it as an excuse for any loss (saying that his terrible loss against daynine was because of a mysterious page pool error that somehow magically cause his computer to lag without effecting his opponent as well [which is impossible without having some sort of synch error in an RTS game, btw]). Artosis has been unsportsmanlike and whiny since the second match of the tournament vs day. Constant excuses and complaining about computer and connection issues. Anyone that watched the stream could even read the bs that artosis was spewing in the chat. What I want to know is, why did this 'mistake' happen in the first place..? Obviously the judges didn't feel that Artosis had the game 100% finished when they originally reviewed the replay... So what profound event happened between then and now that made them change their minds so unanimously...? Seems like everyone is too busy d**k-riding artosis and trying to make him feel better now that he is super salty about the tournament and posting ridiculous tweets about the huge injustice of a tournament that follows it's own precidented rules. Hey artosis, want to know how to avoid embarrassing losses? Invest in some quality computer parts and equipment and a nice stable internet connection. If gaming is your hobby, career and life, then you should at least be able to support yourself enough to afford the basic necessities of PC gaming. All this sodium isn't good for your blood pressure man. | ||
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cartoon]x
United States606 Posts
On May 09 2010 13:08 XtrEEmMaShEEN3k2 wrote: His whole point would be that there would be no way to prove whether he d/c'd intentionally or because of a game error. Much like it is in this situation. How dumb are you? There is not a player in the world who would d/c when they were anywhere near 100 percent winning. What the hell would that do for you? What on earth could it possibly accomplish? Seriously - are you retarded? I want to know. Holy crap.. | ||
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