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So as you are well aware of by now a disc occurred in game 3 of Slush vs Artosis. Artosis disced while he was ahead. Our regular policy for tournaments is that if you disc you can't get a win by just being ahead. If you are a 99/1 favorite to win the game we will not hand out a loss to the non-discing player. It's not his fault his chances to come back were taken away and he is completely innocent in the situation. However we also have the policy that if in the rare occasion a game is 100% won but the opponent didn't gg yet (weird as it may sound this does happen every now and then) we award the win to the player that had the game in the bag. Whoever disced.
Today we saw one of those games.
When the disc happened the staff that was working on the tournament reviewed the game and judged that there was still a chance, albeit small, that Slush could come back. This was a mistake, a serious mistake, for which we apologize. Running events is a stressful job. Working under pressure hours before it starts barely ever having a moment to breath trying to get everything to run smoothly. A situation like today is an organizers nightmare. Not just because of the disc but because the pressure on trying to continue the show is something always in the back of your head. Whenever making decisions they will be rushed and have to be taken quickly in order to keep the production quality at a high level. When this is the norm under which you have to work it is very hard to take a step back and assess a situation as so serious that you might need an hour - hours, to find the right solution. That was the case today. Even though the decision was made in an hour which is a good amount of time it was not enough to come to the right conclusion. The conclusion that Artosis had this game 100% won.
Hosting tournaments is a hard job and we don't claim to be perfect. We only claim to be willing to learn from our mistakes and that's what we will do today. We're going to try to keep high level players closer involved in the decision making regarding disconnects (unfortunately I was playing the Benelux tournament myself today so I couldn't be here during the time Artosis was playing Slush). Working with a panel of high level players as disconnect referees having to find consensus on who was winning and by how much before the tournament admins make a decision.
What happens after today? We want to do everything we can to make this right. We have offered Artosis a showmatch with the winner of TLI with prizes at stake. Unfortunately due to their 'personal differences' Artosis isn't interested in playing with Slush. Regardless we'll try to keep looking for options to make this right. If you have any suggestions you are more than welcome to post them here.
Signed,
TL Staff
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Good follow-up, what was written above is exactly what was needed. You cannot change the ruling now, but this is the next best thing.
EDIT:
On May 10 2010 00:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +Poll: Given the situation, if you were Slush would you have conceded?No (146) 55% Yes (87) 33% I honestly don't know (31) 12% 264 total votes Your vote: Given the situation, if you were Slush would you have conceded? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
(Vote): I honestly don't know
Well, that's that. lol
Hmmm, when I first read that poll I thought it was asking if you were slush would you concede. Like would you do that NOW after all that has gone on since yesterday. I voted no. Was only after the fact, after I made my choice that I realized it said "conceded" and not "concede". If I was Slush at the time of the incident, yes I would have conceded. I would of watched the replay and realized, yeah i got OWNED at the end, and would have conceded. Now though, it really is to late too concede I'd say.
Wonder how many other people made that same mistake when they first saw the poll.
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seemed like a rough situation to deal with. best to just forgive and forget
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Well played, sirs. This is pretty much the response I was hoping for from TL.net.
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If I were betting man, Artosis will eventually want to play Slush heads up in a showmatch.
To be honest, given the current state of zerg, Artosis likely would have won the entire tournament had he not disced. 
For us casual observers, aside from a few delays it was a great show.
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Nazgul's reaction > Kennigit reaction
Thank you for straight out admitting the mistake. You have restored my faith in Team Liquid. Your a bigger man then most Nazgul.
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Kennigit
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Yeah sorry, i can't stay objective in this - too emotionally invested.. Consider nazgul's the official statement
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On May 09 2010 11:37 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: We have offered Artosis a showmatch with the winner of TLI with prizes at stake. Unfortunately due to their 'personal differences' Artosis isn't interested in playing with Slush.
That is absurd. He needs to grow up.
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Completely agree with everything that was said here. Glad you guys admitted the mistake. Also, thanks for running all these tournaments! The important thing is to work towards a new policy for dealing with disconnects so this can be handled better in the future. Thanks again so much for running all these tournies!
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On May 09 2010 11:44 NeoOmega wrote:
Nazgul's reaction > Kennigit reaction
Thank you for straight out admitting the mistake. You have restored my faith in Team Liquid. Your a bigger man then most Nazgul.
This.
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This is why I was siding with the organizers at the time of the decision. I've had to make tough calls in the past. You do the best you can and you proceed forward. Of course you have to recognize that you were wrong, but it doesn't change the fact you did the best you could.
Certainly no one was acting maliciously towards Artosis or playing favorites. The wrong decision was made, but they had to make a call, and there's always the chance that it could have been wrong the other way. Not in this instance, it turns out, but in a similar case.
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Braavos36399 Posts
On May 09 2010 11:45 Kishime wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2010 11:37 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: We have offered Artosis a showmatch with the winner of TLI with prizes at stake. Unfortunately due to their 'personal differences' Artosis isn't interested in playing with Slush. That is absurd. He needs to grow up.
Either player has every right to refuse a showmatch.
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Great manner TL 
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This is a great response.
Hoping Artosis reconsiders! More SC2, gogo!
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The way I see it I agree that Artosis had the game won and the ref made a bad call. Some people are saying Slush is bm for not admitting the game was over but that's not his fault, it's the ref's job to make that decision and the ref failed here. Artosis eventually agreed to do a regame and Slush won it fair and square.
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good response
Artosis needed an apology, and he got it. still waay to late.
One thing i dont get though is that i know you said you were busy with another tournament nazgul
but im sure that there were PLENTY of very high lvl players available out there to watch the replay and give their opinion, even DeMuslim said he could have done it in the last thread. i mean after all you guys used quite some time coming up with the conclusion that it should be a regame or DQ
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pro, i understand why artosis wouldnt wanna play slush again. Would be even worse if he lost , and slush would get more money haha.
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Great follow-up guys. Thanks for the tournament.
Still wish Slush woulda looked at replay before moving on to a rematch and tried to explain his situation.
Only need an apology from Artosis for being an ass during those chat logs :/ however deserved.
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I don't see what TL has to apologize for. I can see where some one viewing the replay in a stressful situation would think that Slush had a minuscule chance of coming back, and clearly the protocol you described states that you should re-game in that situation. Was it mistake in hindsight? You have all apparently decided it was, but I think it's understandable. What isn't understandable is for Artosis to act like a child throwing a tantrum.
Personally, I think Artosis forfeited his chance for a rematch with Slush with prizes at stake when he acted so ridiculously childish. Thinking in hindsight, he could have played the game, lost, made the complaint to TL admins after the tournament and received a show match with prizes at stake. It still would have been unfortunate that he would be eliminated, but I'm sure TL would be reviewing their process of handling these situations in this hypothetical as well, so the only difference is the shit storm that erupted.
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