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Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
May 09 2010 02:48 GMT
#21
Nazgul is the ultimate voice of reason on TL once again.

good post!
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
Jascle
Profile Joined January 2010
United States23 Posts
May 09 2010 02:48 GMT
#22
Really glad Nazgul owned it. Now there won't be any lingering awkwardness going forward.

$10k Artosis v Slush grudge match inc?
skYfiVe
Profile Joined April 2010
United States382 Posts
May 09 2010 02:49 GMT
#23
There isn't a much better way to put it then TL just did, and there is no right or wrong. Sure Slush probably knew he was going to lose, but who is going to admit to that when money is on the line?

Sure, there is sportmanship, where I do agree with Artosis on, but when there are referees, Slush can stand for his opinion as it is ultimately up to them anyways. Hopefully it won't happen again, but there is no way to guarantee it. Good response nonetheless.
"1baseiwa"
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
May 09 2010 02:51 GMT
#24
On May 09 2010 11:47 UbiNax wrote:
good response

Artosis needed an apology, and he got it. still waay to late.

One thing i dont get though is that i know you said you were busy with another tournament nazgul
but im sure that there were PLENTY of very high lvl players available out there to watch the replay and give their opinion, i mean after all you guys used quite some time coming up with the conclusion that it should be a regame or DQ


there certainly were many top players watching this, demuslim said so himself, I dont know though if for example the TL admins had them in their friends list.

On May 09 2010 11:47 Salv wrote:
I don't see what TL has to apologize for. I can see where some one viewing the replay in a stressful situation would think that Slush had a minuscule chance of coming back, and clearly the protocol you described states that you should re-game in that situation. Was it mistake in hindsight? You have all apparently decided it was, but I think it's understandable. What isn't understandable is for Artosis to act like a child throwing a tantrum.

Personally, I think Artosis forfeited his chance for a rematch with Slush with prizes at stake when he acted so ridiculously childish. Thinking in hindsight, he could have played the game, lost, made the complaint to TL admins after the tournament and received a show match with prizes at stake. It still would have been unfortunate that he would be eliminated, but I'm sure TL would be reviewing their process of handling these situations in this hypothetical as well, so the only difference is the shit storm that erupted.


Oh yeah but you're being incredibly grown up with that signature of yours.. rofl
beep boop
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
May 09 2010 02:52 GMT
#25
I think some people seem to miss the fact that Artosis knew about this problem for ages, yet still entered a tournament for money knowing that he could disconnect at any time and knowing the rules for that. Its not like it was completely unexpected.
Salv
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Canada3083 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 02:54:49
May 09 2010 02:54 GMT
#26
On May 09 2010 11:47 Salv wrote:
I don't see what TL has to apologize for. I can see where some one viewing the replay in a stressful situation would think that Slush had a minuscule chance of coming back, and clearly the protocol you described states that you should re-game in that situation. Was it mistake in hindsight? You have all apparently decided it was, but I think it's understandable. What isn't understandable is for Artosis to act like a child throwing a tantrum.

Personally, I think Artosis forfeited his chance for a rematch with Slush with prizes at stake when he acted so ridiculously childish. Thinking in hindsight, he could have played the game, lost, made the complaint to TL admins after the tournament and received a show match with prizes at stake. It still would have been unfortunate that he would be eliminated, but I'm sure TL would be reviewing their process of handling these situations in this hypothetical as well, so the only difference is the shit storm that erupted.

On May 09 2010 11:51 7mk wrote:
Oh yeah but you're being incredibly grown up with that signature of yours.. rofl


It's a hilarious quote. Nice red herring also, why don't you address the actual point of my post.
skYfiVe
Profile Joined April 2010
United States382 Posts
May 09 2010 02:54 GMT
#27
On May 09 2010 11:52 infinity2k9 wrote:
I think some people seem to miss the fact that Artosis knew about this problem for ages, yet still entered a tournament for money knowing that he could disconnect at any time and knowing the rules for that. Its not like it was completely unexpected.


Yeah, well is it really reasonable to expect someone to buy a new computer for a tournament right around the corner? There's not much he can do, and Artosis was reasonable about it by even explaining that it might happen... even saying he got the page pool error during their game.

Sure, he was the one that disconnected, and I'm sure he knew the rules... as stated by TL it was a 100% win at that point. It isn't like Artosis deserved to receive the loss for a faulty computer.
"1baseiwa"
shinosai
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1577 Posts
May 09 2010 02:54 GMT
#28
I think this statement is quite mature. I for one do not blame TL for making a bad call in the heat of a tournament, as it could happen to anyone. And I certainly praise them for coming back and admitting a mistake. That shows real character... something I've never seen from Blizzard entertainment. =p

(Oops, players really want a chat system? Well, they're wrong! They don't know what they want.)
Be versatile, know when to retreat, and carry a big gun.
Neverhood
Profile Joined August 2009
United States5388 Posts
May 09 2010 02:56 GMT
#29
Great statement by TL to admit their mistake, because I think most people will agree that they did make one even if it was somewhat justified due to the pressure of running a tournament.

I watched the replay and thought 100% that Artosis should've been given the win, not a regame. Glad that this issue can be put to rest, although ;( no showcase rematch.
Jaedong :D
Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
May 09 2010 02:57 GMT
#30
TL is awesome, as shown here.
KTY
Saig0n
Profile Joined May 2010
United States100 Posts
May 09 2010 02:57 GMT
#31
After all is said and done, I hope this is just used as a learning point and future tournaments are just improved upon. Great statement by Nazgul though.
artanis2
Profile Joined April 2010
United States732 Posts
May 09 2010 02:57 GMT
#32
Artosis needs to stop bawwing and fix his fucking computer. That is the root cause of the entire problem.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
May 09 2010 02:59 GMT
#33
I'm glad TL came forth with this reasonable response. You can always count on TL to do the right thing... eventually.

everythingwentbetterthanexpected.jpg
GenoZStriker
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2914 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 03:00:06
May 09 2010 02:59 GMT
#34
It is what it is. Shit like this happens and we just have to move on. What's done is done. Slush surprisingly put this aside and went on to win the even which was quiet an upset. The games were great. Stream was great. Commentary was great. Aside from this drama, the tournament went well and was enjoyable.
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infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 03:01:14
May 09 2010 02:59 GMT
#35
On May 09 2010 11:54 skYfiVe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2010 11:52 infinity2k9 wrote:
I think some people seem to miss the fact that Artosis knew about this problem for ages, yet still entered a tournament for money knowing that he could disconnect at any time and knowing the rules for that. Its not like it was completely unexpected.


Yeah, well is it really reasonable to expect someone to buy a new computer for a tournament right around the corner? There's not much he can do, and Artosis was reasonable about it by even explaining that it might happen... even saying he got the page pool error during their game.

Sure, he was the one that disconnected, and I'm sure he knew the rules... as stated by TL it was a 100% win at that point. It isn't like Artosis deserved to receive the loss for a faulty computer.


I think its reasonable not to play in a tournament knowing it might happen at some point. I don't believe that a whole new computer would be needed to fix the problem anyway (sounds like RAM issue?), and hes known there's a problem at least since 22nd April when its mentioned on his twitter. You can't go into games like this just hoping you won't DC. After all he is supposed to now be a progamer on a proteam so you'd expect not to be knowingly play with faulty equipment.
mechos
Profile Joined May 2010
United States12 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 03:01:05
May 09 2010 02:59 GMT
#36
Really professional statement from the TL staff. That's the way to be guys, thanks for setting an example to others. And just one thing to keep in mind is the nature of the game.. right now its in beta .. so the normal rules may not apply sometimes. It's up to the players end of the day to be a good sport.
I love SC2
Bigpon86
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States238 Posts
May 09 2010 02:59 GMT
#37
Very professional response from TL. This is exactly what needed to be said and I think we can all learn from what happened today.
This is my quote.
skYfiVe
Profile Joined April 2010
United States382 Posts
May 09 2010 03:00 GMT
#38
On May 09 2010 11:57 artanis2 wrote:
Artosis needs to stop bawwing and fix his fucking computer. That is the root cause of the entire problem.


This is pretty unnecessary honestly.. at least be constructive with your post... it isn't like money grows on trees for new computers either.
"1baseiwa"
Psiven
Profile Joined May 2010
United States148 Posts
May 09 2010 03:00 GMT
#39
After acting like he did, Artosis didn't deserve an apology, but the other players in the tournament did so that this wouldn't just loom as an unresolved problem. Cheers.
damon2400
Profile Joined April 2009
United States172 Posts
May 09 2010 03:00 GMT
#40
On May 09 2010 11:54 Salv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2010 11:47 Salv wrote:
I don't see what TL has to apologize for. I can see where some one viewing the replay in a stressful situation would think that Slush had a minuscule chance of coming back, and clearly the protocol you described states that you should re-game in that situation. Was it mistake in hindsight? You have all apparently decided it was, but I think it's understandable. What isn't understandable is for Artosis to act like a child throwing a tantrum.

Personally, I think Artosis forfeited his chance for a rematch with Slush with prizes at stake when he acted so ridiculously childish. Thinking in hindsight, he could have played the game, lost, made the complaint to TL admins after the tournament and received a show match with prizes at stake. It still would have been unfortunate that he would be eliminated, but I'm sure TL would be reviewing their process of handling these situations in this hypothetical as well, so the only difference is the shit storm that erupted.

Show nested quote +
On May 09 2010 11:51 7mk wrote:
Oh yeah but you're being incredibly grown up with that signature of yours.. rofl


It's a hilarious quote. Nice red herring also, why don't you address the actual point of my post.


More like genetic fallacy bud.
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