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On May 09 2010 15:57 dacthehork wrote:
Guys saying what slush should do
please stop, he is not at fault. He Showed up, he played his games, he was advanced by the tourney admins.
Artosis was the one who Disconnected, it is his computer malfunctions that are at fault. If you do not want to DC and have this risk, then go for a short walk in a country supposedly FILLED with pc bongs and play on one of those.
I agree with this that technically he is not at fault but it leaves a really bad taste in everyone's mouth because it was clear he lost. Other games have unwritten rules that people follow even though they don't have to. Golf, poker, and someone gave a really good magic the gathering example even though I never really played. I can only speak for myself but I really liked slush before this and now I don't really care to even see his games now. I don't know much about him but hopefully he just made a mistake because he's young and this was kind of a unique situation and he learns from it. . . or maybe not whatever.
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I think the whole thing is a headache. If Slush really wasn't able to recover, and he asked for a rematch, that's low. The problem is compounded by the fact that Artosis has a bit of a diva complex regarding this game, so regardless of the actual state of the game, he, in his mind, was going to win. + Show Spoiler +Remember, the only reason Day9 won a match against him is because of a computer glitch.
Regardless, I commend the TL staff for looking as deeply into this as they have. It shows that they care about their community.
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If Slush won the tournament, then I guess they picked the right ruling
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On May 09 2010 17:08 KatanaSwordfish wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2010 13:26 jax1492 wrote:On May 09 2010 12:37 NukeGoesKABOOM wrote:On May 09 2010 12:35 JassyP wrote:
I feel people need to stop bashing Artosis, yea his temper got the best of him....but on the real tip...if you felt someone was going to snatch 300 dollars out of your hands you would get angry too. He flipped out over a video game dude. This is what Artosis devotes his life and career too.... its more than a game to him. but ya i think he could have handled him self a bit better, but as you see he was right about the situation. i would like to see a show match when things blow over, i think it would be a great game. If Artosis has devoted his whole life and career to SC and SC2, he should invest in a better computer that doesn't crash. If you're a pro bungee jumper and your bungee cable snaps because you decided you didn't want to invest in a professional quality set-up, it's your own fault. If Artosis is truly serious about professional gaming he should invest in a gaming rig with enough power and stability to run the game properly. Instead, Artosis would rather play on a crappy setup and use it as an excuse for any loss (saying that his terrible loss against daynine was because of a mysterious page pool error that somehow magically cause his computer to lag without effecting his opponent as well [which is impossible without having some sort of synch error in an RTS game, btw]). Artosis has been unsportsmanlike and whiny since the second match of the tournament vs day. Constant excuses and complaining about computer and connection issues. Anyone that watched the stream could even read the bs that artosis was spewing in the chat. What I want to know is, why did this 'mistake' happen in the first place..? Obviously the judges didn't feel that Artosis had the game 100% finished when they originally reviewed the replay... So what profound event happened between then and now that made them change their minds so unanimously...? Seems like everyone is too busy d**k-riding artosis and trying to make him feel better now that he is super salty about the tournament and posting ridiculous tweets about the huge injustice of a tournament that follows it's own precidented rules. Hey artosis, want to know how to avoid embarrassing losses? Invest in some quality computer parts and equipment and a nice stable internet connection. If gaming is your hobby, career and life, then you should at least be able to support yourself enough to afford the basic necessities of PC gaming. All this sodium isn't good for your blood pressure man.
Says the guy that has two posts
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I certainly understand TL over this matter. I’ve been in leadership positions before when I was under pressure and made the wrong call. And it just feels like crap when that happens, but you have to live with it.
And I believe it shows great responsibility and professionalism that TL apologized.
It’s still a pity that Artosis had to be knocked out of the tournament in this fashion. (Though he obviously had a shot at advancing in the tournament. It just gave Slush the chance he needed.) And I hope he doesn’t hold any animosity towards TL. Still, perhaps from this incident Teamliquids future events will only be strengthened from the learning experience.
All things considered TL runs their events amazingly well, and as they have more tournaments and such they’ll only gain experience and thus their events will become even better.
Thanks for the great event TL. It was good, bar this little happening.
Best wishes all 
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On May 09 2010 17:25 DrTossRulezz wrote:
If Slush won the tournament, then I guess they picked the right ruling
Or perhaps you could argue that it was, in fact, a more egregious error.
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On May 09 2010 17:33 Jugan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2010 17:25 DrTossRulezz wrote:
If Slush won the tournament, then I guess they picked the right ruling Or perhaps you could argue that it was, in fact, a more egregious error.
I don't even think that Artosis would have won.
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The only part of this that gripes me is the fact that one of the admins overseeing the match asked Slush if he felt he had a chance to win the game.
That right there is your mistake. Why do you even have referees if you are going to ask the players who are playing a tournament for money for their opinion of the game?
I'm not saying that Slush should be disqualified or anything brash like that but honestly I feel that the admins perhaps, were incapable not only in knowing about Starcraft II but apparently general sports (or eSports) rules that offer neutral judgements.
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On May 09 2010 17:34 DrTossRulezz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2010 17:33 Jugan wrote:On May 09 2010 17:25 DrTossRulezz wrote:
If Slush won the tournament, then I guess they picked the right ruling Or perhaps you could argue that it was, in fact, a more egregious error. I don't even think that Artosis would have won.
And there are those who think that Artosis had won the game, and should have been given the chance to win the tournament. Which is different than offering him a showmatch in compensation (Not trying to bash here).
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On May 09 2010 17:34 DrTossRulezz wrote:
I don't even think that Artosis would have won.
obv troll is obv
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On May 09 2010 17:37 milkywaywu wrote:
The only part of this that gripes me is the fact that one of the admins overseeing the match asked Slush if he felt he had a chance to win the game.
That right there is your mistake. Why do you even have referees if you are going to ask the players who are playing a tournament for money for their opinion of the game?
I'm not saying that Slush should be disqualified or anything brash like that but honestly I feel that the admins perhaps, were incapable not only in knowing about Starcraft II but apparently general sports (or eSports) rules that offer neutral judgements.
They asked him because if slush said that he would admit defeat, then they wouldn't even have to review the case in the first place.
It was not done to get his opinion on how the case should be handled.
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On May 09 2010 17:25 MorningMusume11 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2010 17:08 KatanaSwordfish wrote:On May 09 2010 13:26 jax1492 wrote:On May 09 2010 12:37 NukeGoesKABOOM wrote:On May 09 2010 12:35 JassyP wrote:
I feel people need to stop bashing Artosis, yea his temper got the best of him....but on the real tip...if you felt someone was going to snatch 300 dollars out of your hands you would get angry too. He flipped out over a video game dude. This is what Artosis devotes his life and career too.... its more than a game to him. but ya i think he could have handled him self a bit better, but as you see he was right about the situation. i would like to see a show match when things blow over, i think it would be a great game. If Artosis has devoted his whole life and career to SC and SC2, he should invest in a better computer that doesn't crash. If you're a pro bungee jumper and your bungee cable snaps because you decided you didn't want to invest in a professional quality set-up, it's your own fault. If Artosis is truly serious about professional gaming he should invest in a gaming rig with enough power and stability to run the game properly. Instead, Artosis would rather play on a crappy setup and use it as an excuse for any loss (saying that his terrible loss against daynine was because of a mysterious page pool error that somehow magically cause his computer to lag without effecting his opponent as well [which is impossible without having some sort of synch error in an RTS game, btw]). Artosis has been unsportsmanlike and whiny since the second match of the tournament vs day. Constant excuses and complaining about computer and connection issues. Anyone that watched the stream could even read the bs that artosis was spewing in the chat. What I want to know is, why did this 'mistake' happen in the first place..? Obviously the judges didn't feel that Artosis had the game 100% finished when they originally reviewed the replay... So what profound event happened between then and now that made them change their minds so unanimously...? Seems like everyone is too busy d**k-riding artosis and trying to make him feel better now that he is super salty about the tournament and posting ridiculous tweets about the huge injustice of a tournament that follows it's own precidented rules. Hey artosis, want to know how to avoid embarrassing losses? Invest in some quality computer parts and equipment and a nice stable internet connection. If gaming is your hobby, career and life, then you should at least be able to support yourself enough to afford the basic necessities of PC gaming. All this sodium isn't good for your blood pressure man. Says the guy that has two posts
His account was also created in July of 2008 and not today like you're trying to suggest. But none of that matters since it doesn't make his opinion any more/less valid. Guess what, post count equals nothing more than post count. Refute his idea/opinion with one of your own and not some idiotic statement.
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On May 09 2010 17:42 kyophan wrote:
It was not done to get his opinion on how the case should be handled.
Yet his "opinion" made all the difference in how the case was handled. Which is the bottom line/point for many in this thread.
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[b]+ Show Spoiler +On May 09 2010 17:42 kyophan wrote:On May 09 2010 17:37 milkywaywu wrote:
The only part of this that gripes me is the fact that one of the admins overseeing the match asked Slush if he felt he had a chance to win the game.
That right there is your mistake. Why do you even have referees if you are going to ask the players who are playing a tournament for money for their opinion of the game?
I'm not saying that Slush should be disqualified or anything brash like that but honestly I feel that the admins perhaps, were incapable not only in knowing about Starcraft II but apparently general sports (or eSports) rules that offer neutral judgements. They asked him because if slush said that he would admit defeat, then they wouldn't even have to review the case in the first place. It was not done to get his opinion on how the case should be handled.
But the fact of the matter is they shouldn't have asked him that in the first place. The thing I can agree with is the fact that the referees made a decision and it was wrong.
Great; fine; nothing we can do about it; do better next time.
But if they asked Slush and took his opinion into account? That is not alright. That is not right at all. Referees must be neutral and the fact that they let Slush have a say in what should happen in the admin's tournament just doesn't sit right with me.
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Thanks for the tournament TL, I enjoyed the live stream. It is too bad an error was made but you are taking the best course of action, as is expected of you. Commercial entities dealing with the common sports would not be expected to behave as civil, but you have the balls to do it right. Let's look forward to the next tournament, where a solution for these circumstances will be present.
As for a solution for Artosis, a showmatch is always nice It is impossible to give something as satisfying as a possible tournament victory over 15 other players without involving 15 other players. A Ro4 seed into a possible future tournament would perhaps be a good equivalent of a lost opportunity?
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On May 09 2010 17:25 MorningMusume11 wrote:
Says the guy that has two posts
Indeed. Perhaps he ought to hold off on making comments like that until he has 2241 posts' worth of serious Starcraft discu![[image loading]](http://i43.tinypic.com/vqptua.jpg)
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On May 09 2010 17:56 gngfn wrote:Indeed. Perhaps he ought to hold off on making comments like that until he has 2241 posts' worth of serious Starcraft discu
loooooooooool
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epic find, how the hell is that even possible 
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