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NaviListen
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States56 Posts
May 09 2010 09:55 GMT
#301
TL has it under control. Thanks guys.
Hey! Listen!
Boundz(DarKo)
Profile Joined March 2009
5311 Posts
May 09 2010 10:05 GMT
#302
Wait what? I don't follow Sc2 beta.
Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 10:07:51
May 09 2010 10:07 GMT
#303
On May 09 2010 17:58 IntoTheWow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2010 17:56 gngfn wrote:
On May 09 2010 17:25 MorningMusume11 wrote:
Says the guy that has two posts

Indeed. Perhaps he ought to hold off on making comments like that until he has 2241 posts' worth of serious Starcraft discu[image loading]


loooooooooool


LOL Funny pictures that make you laugh thread please.

On May 09 2010 18:20 xxjondxx wrote:
I think the fact that Artosis could have easily dced when slush was in a lead should be a big reason in having to regame.


Whether or not he could have possibly disconnected in an imaginary scenario (one that did not take place) should hold no relevance to what happened in reality.
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Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 10:09:38
May 09 2010 10:08 GMT
#304
OMG drama again...

There is no good call in such situation: it is unfair to take away win from Artosis because he had higher chances to win and at the same time it would be unfair to take away this tiny chance of win from Slush just because his opponent's PC failed.

Seriously if you play tournament to get money you make sure that you maximise your chances of victory right? And having proper hardware is also a requirement to be able to win (as we just saw). If you want to earn money you have to invest first


TL made a call and they shouldn't regret it because there was no good decision here
dogabutila
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States1438 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 10:15:52
May 09 2010 10:09 GMT
#305
On May 09 2010 18:25 BroOd wrote:
You wouldn't blacklist a soccer player who didn't report his own handball, would you? Or a football player who didn't report his own facemask penalty?


Entirely different situation my friend.

If I stand to gain something by not speaking up then why would I ever speak up?
However in this situation not only do I stand to gain, but another stands to lose by my inaction. Is it fair that because of my selfishness, greed, and lack of morals that I would cause another who should rightfully gain something to lose it?


I just cannot understand the people who feel as if slush did nothing wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omission_(criminal_law)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue
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ChewbroCColi
Profile Joined July 2009
Denmark108 Posts
May 09 2010 10:10 GMT
#306
It's very big of you that you admit your fault. Yesterday's tournament was awesome besides this episode, and we know you guys do the best you can to make everyone happy. <3 Mistakes happen and it's awesome to know you learn from them. Cudos!
towerranger
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria134 Posts
May 09 2010 10:14 GMT
#307
On May 09 2010 16:54 ret wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2010 11:49 skYfiVe wrote:
There isn't a much better way to put it then TL just did, and there is no right or wrong. Sure Slush probably knew he was going to lose, but who is going to admit to that when money is on the line?


To me this is the only thing to take from this. I can't believe a player who's been invited to a tournament for the beta of a game would try to get a regame when he is skilled enough to know that he had lost the game beyond a shadow of doubt.

Mistakes happen, it was not TL's intention at all to do anything but the right thing here. And a showmatch with Artosis seems like a great way to fix this. But man...Slush...how badly do you need money? :S



Yeah i cant belive it too....
hopping for a showmatch
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
May 09 2010 10:19 GMT
#308
maybe he thought he could win still? maybe he thought he could kill that attack with drones + muta + corruptors+ roaches, and artosis really had no other units, and he wouldve had 2 expos up. I know that artosis had a huge advantage, but im sure that 99% of u in slush's position would not just say " ok u win "
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BroOd
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Austin10833 Posts
May 09 2010 10:19 GMT
#309
On May 09 2010 19:09 dogabutila wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2010 18:25 BroOd wrote:
You wouldn't blacklist a soccer player who didn't report his own handball, would you? Or a football player who didn't report his own facemask penalty?


Entirely different situation my friend.

If I stand to gain something by not speaking up then why would I ever speak up?
However in this situation not only do I stand to gain, but another stands to lose by my inaction. Is it fair that because of my selfishness, greed, and lack of morals that I would cause another who should rightfully gain something to lose it?


I just cannot understand the people who feel as if slush did nothing wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omission_(criminal_law)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue

How is that different exactly? In Ireland vs France World Cup qualifiers, Thierry Henry handballed a goal that put France in the World Cup and left Ireland out. Should he have reported himself to the referee?
ModeratorSIRL and JLIG.
El_Cid
Profile Joined March 2010
Romania14 Posts
May 09 2010 10:21 GMT
#310
I just watched the replay - the match wasn't over... yes Artosis was winning - but it wasn't a gg situation yet... how is it Slush's fault that his opponent got DC'ed.

What if all matches would be like this - and if you DCed you would still get the win because you were having some kind of an advantage. You would see them pull the plug every other match.

Its not Slush's fault - and the decision was CORRECT!
You DC - and you have an advantage - you REMATCH buddy - thats it!
You DC - and you are loosing - you loose!

Simple as that... This was a big mistake by Nazgul! Throwing the blame on Slush because they are not men enough to support the consequences of their decisions.
What man is a man who doesn't make the world better?
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
May 09 2010 10:28 GMT
#311
On May 09 2010 19:21 El_Cid wrote:
I just watched the replay - the match wasn't over... yes Artosis was winning - but it wasn't a gg situation yet... how is it Slush's fault that his opponent got DC'ed.

What if all matches would be like this - and if you DCed you would still get the win because you were having some kind of an advantage. You would see them pull the plug every other match.

Its not Slush's fault - and the decision was CORRECT!
You DC - and you have an advantage - you REMATCH buddy - thats it!
You DC - and you are loosing - you loose!

Simple as that... This was a big mistake by Nazgul! Throwing the blame on Slush because they are not men enough to support the consequences of their decisions.


i agree... game was definitely not over yet
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milkywaywu
Profile Joined May 2010
United States10 Posts
May 09 2010 10:29 GMT
#312
On May 09 2010 19:19 BroOd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2010 19:09 dogabutila wrote:
On May 09 2010 18:25 BroOd wrote:
You wouldn't blacklist a soccer player who didn't report his own handball, would you? Or a football player who didn't report his own facemask penalty?


Entirely different situation my friend.

If I stand to gain something by not speaking up then why would I ever speak up?
However in this situation not only do I stand to gain, but another stands to lose by my inaction. Is it fair that because of my selfishness, greed, and lack of morals that I would cause another who should rightfully gain something to lose it?


I just cannot understand the people who feel as if slush did nothing wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omission_(criminal_law)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue

How is that different exactly? In Ireland vs France World Cup qualifiers, Thierry Henry handballed a goal that put France in the World Cup and left Ireland out. Should he have reported himself to the referee?


In fairness of the sport yes. Yes he should have.

Was it something you can blame the guy for? Not really.

It's never alright to do unfair things to get ahead. That is what we as people want to believe and want to achieve as mankind evolves.

In no way am I bashing Slush as I believe it was really an officiating error that spawned from inproper protocol taken by the referees (asking for Slush's take on the matter).

7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
May 09 2010 10:32 GMT
#313
On May 09 2010 19:28 drewbie.root wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2010 19:21 El_Cid wrote:
I just watched the replay - the match wasn't over... yes Artosis was winning - but it wasn't a gg situation yet... how is it Slush's fault that his opponent got DC'ed.

What if all matches would be like this - and if you DCed you would still get the win because you were having some kind of an advantage. You would see them pull the plug every other match.

Its not Slush's fault - and the decision was CORRECT!
You DC - and you have an advantage - you REMATCH buddy - thats it!
You DC - and you are loosing - you loose!

Simple as that... This was a big mistake by Nazgul! Throwing the blame on Slush because they are not men enough to support the consequences of their decisions.


i agree... game was definitely not over yet


Lol, boggles my mind how a player of your skill evel can agree with that bullshit post
beep boop
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
May 09 2010 10:33 GMT
#314
On May 09 2010 11 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              09 2010 11      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:48 Jascle wrote:
Really glad Nazgul owned it. Now there won't be any lingering awkwardness going forward.

$10k Artosis v Slush grudge match inc?


No more awkwardness? TL have caved to Artosis and have not mentioned his child's tantrum in this statement nor have they apologised to Slush for implying his win of the tournament is invalid.
amanet
Profile Joined December 2007
Croatia334 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 10:36:26
May 09 2010 10:35 GMT
#315
slush is good he won tour after that game
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44171 Posts
May 09 2010 10:36 GMT
#316
On May 09 2010 19:29 milkywaywu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2010 19:19 BroOd wrote:
On May 09 2010 19:09 dogabutila wrote:
On May 09 2010 18:25 BroOd wrote:
You wouldn't blacklist a soccer player who didn't report his own handball, would you? Or a football player who didn't report his own facemask penalty?


Entirely different situation my friend.

If I stand to gain something by not speaking up then why would I ever speak up?
However in this situation not only do I stand to gain, but another stands to lose by my inaction. Is it fair that because of my selfishness, greed, and lack of morals that I would cause another who should rightfully gain something to lose it?


I just cannot understand the people who feel as if slush did nothing wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omission_(criminal_law)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duty_to_rescue

How is that different exactly? In Ireland vs France World Cup qualifiers, Thierry Henry handballed a goal that put France in the World Cup and left Ireland out. Should he have reported himself to the referee?


In fairness of the sport yes. Yes he should have.

Was it something you can blame the guy for? Not really.

It's never alright to do unfair things to get ahead. That is what we as people want to believe and want to achieve as mankind evolves.

In no way am I bashing Slush as I believe it was really an officiating error that spawned from inproper protocol taken by the referees (asking for Slush's take on the matter).


I don't believe an error was made.
The rules used were fairly simple. If a player disconnects while winning then it's a regame. If a player disconnects while losing it's a loss. Artosis disconnects while winning therefore it's a regame. Asking Slush if he thought he was so far behind Artosis that Artosis should get the freewin was a gesture towards fairness and if anything helped Artosis because it could have given him the freewin.
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7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
May 09 2010 10:38 GMT
#317
On May 09 2010 19:33 Full.tilt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 09 2010 11 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting              09 2010 11      end_of_the_skype_highlighting:48 Jascle wrote:
Really glad Nazgul owned it. Now there won't be any lingering awkwardness going forward.

$10k Artosis v Slush grudge match inc?


No more awkwardness? TL have caved to Artosis and have not mentioned his child's tantrum in this statement nor have they apologised to Slush for implying his win of the tournament is invalid.


lol are you for rela? Apologise to Slush?
Nazgul in his statement just stated facts.

Artosis has already apologised to ETT for his behaviour and if anyone is left to apologise it should be Slush apologising to Artosis, if he didnt lie, for not realising it was completely over.
beep boop
amanet
Profile Joined December 2007
Croatia334 Posts
May 09 2010 10:39 GMT
#318
tour its over and slush is a champ. accept that
Jugan
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1566 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-09 10:42:11
May 09 2010 10:41 GMT
#319
On May 09 2010 19:19 drewbie.root wrote:
maybe he thought he could win still? maybe he thought he could kill that attack with drones + muta + corruptors+ roaches, and artosis really had no other units, and he wouldve had 2 expos up. I know that artosis had a huge advantage, but im sure that 99% of u in slush's position would not just say " ok u win "


read ret's post. slush would have had 0 mining bases, 1 hatch, vs the half of the map that artosis owns, IF slush somehow managed to kill a horde of 3/2 hydras with 0/1 mutas. gl with that.
Even a Savior couldn't fix all problems. www.twitch.tv/xJugan
Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
May 09 2010 10:42 GMT
#320
The decision that was made was the correct one. You should never award a win to a player that disconnect unless his opponent has either said gg, or there isn't even a theoretical chance for him to win. This just wasn't the case in Slush vs Artosis.

It's sad to see Teamliquid backpedaling on their decision just because they are receiving some heat for their decision, and because it involves a "famous" community member.

I'm sorry Nazgul, but you are pretty much throwing Kennigit under the bus whether you want it or not, and it will undermine the authority of the TL admins in future tournaments.
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