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Jealous
10361 Posts
On February 16 2016 22:45 Sholip wrote: Not yet that I know of (in LotV, of course). But it was supposed to be even more viable in HotS if I understood the data correctly? If so, is it simply too much of an "if you rusg, I auto - lose" for progamer to try? | ||
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Sholip
Hungary422 Posts
On February 17 2016 01:11 Jealous wrote: But it was supposed to be even more viable in HotS if I understood the data correctly? If so, is it simply too much of an "if you rusg, I auto - lose" for progamer to try? Yes, it was more viable in HotS, and it did see use as well, when the map pool allowed for it. But the reason it's not popular in LotV may just be the rush issue, or maybe people just haven't figured it out yet. | ||
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Jealous
10361 Posts
On February 17 2016 02:07 Sholip wrote: Yes, it was more viable in HotS, and it did see use as well, when the map pool allowed for it. But the reason it's not popular in LotV may just be the rush issue, or maybe people just haven't figured it out yet. Are there any VODs that you could link me to? I am curious to see this play in action. Part of the reason is that this was attempted by Boxer vs. Yellow on Blade Storm if I'm not mistaken, so there is even BW precedent for it (despite him losing the game). | ||
Jer99
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Sholip
Hungary422 Posts
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Sissors
1395 Posts
On February 17 2016 01:11 Jealous wrote: But it was supposed to be even more viable in HotS if I understood the data correctly? If so, is it simply too much of an "if you rusg, I auto - lose" for progamer to try? If the map pool allows it yes. Habitation station was one where it was possible, but this is the first time it has been possible to your natural. For 2v2 maps this is not really new, and there you have seen many player floating to gold on ladder. Personally I am planning to try it vs toss. Against zerg maybe, but I am afraid of early roach/ravager play. In TvT for now I consider it suicidal, unless your opponent does not scout. If I scout this I guess I throw down two extra rax, to do reactive three rax reapers. Jump into his original main, and now resources gather speed really does not matter: I got the highground next to which you are mining. | ||
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Jealous
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forsakeNXE
Germany539 Posts
Is it better to saturate your Gold base immediatly (if so for which race etc.) or saturate it while you build more scvs (rally workers there)? I am speaking from a terran perspektive so I guess reaper expand or the normal protoss expands could be examplatory. Thanks for the insight  | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
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Sholip
Hungary422 Posts
On February 19 2016 01:07 forsakeNXE wrote: Hey there, I have another question: Is it better to saturate your Gold base immediatly (if so for which race etc.) or saturate it while you build more scvs (rally workers there)? I am speaking from a terran perspektive so I guess reaper expand or the normal protoss expands could be examplatory. Thanks for the insight Without thinking too much about it, I think the best way is to transfer so many workers immediately that the number of workers needed for saturation on the gold and the main be the same. For example, you have 18/16 in the main by the time the gold finishes. Then you move 7 to the gold and leave 11 in the main. This way, as you are 5 away from saturation on both bases, you can just continue producing workers at both bases and you can rally them to the respective mineral lines. This method comes just out of instinct, maybe not the best possible one. However, it seems intuitively corrrect to transfer some workers immediately, but not all of them, because then you would lose mining time transfering them AND transfering additional workers created at the gold back to your blue base. | ||
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forsakeNXE
Germany539 Posts
I still would love some math on this (especially on oversaturation on the gold how bad is it in comparision to the normal ones?) just to make sure but I like your approach and will use that for now, thanks! | ||
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Jer99
Canada8160 Posts
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
Less of a gain and more time before you catch up than in hots ofc, but then I think the natural is closer than the closest gold ever was in hots... Can you compare how big deficit you have to work through in the natural in lotv, compared to the most popular gangnam map in hots? | ||
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deathspell
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