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BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-04 05:17:46
December 04 2015 05:17 GMT
#21
On December 03 2015 18:33 Ryndika wrote:
Pick any proper player from streams and you'll learn it in no time as long as you play yourself too.


I really don't think this is a good advice at all. Pro players do so much subtly that low level players (or even other high level players) don't even realize. Much better off getting dedicated help from someone trying to teach low level players and who explains what they are doing and why. That is what Day[9] did so well, and how I got to Masters in SC2. Understanding the fundamentals first.

I never would have become good just watching pros stream.
Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
December 04 2015 21:05 GMT
#22
On December 04 2015 14:17 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 18:33 Ryndika wrote:
Pick any proper player from streams and you'll learn it in no time as long as you play yourself too.


I really don't think this is a good advice at all. Pro players do so much subtly that low level players (or even other high level players) don't even realize. Much better off getting dedicated help from someone trying to teach low level players and who explains what they are doing and why. That is what Day[9] did so well, and how I got to Masters in SC2. Understanding the fundamentals first.

I never would have become good just watching pros stream.


Watching pros streaming is like watching a pianist. Great for entertainment--but terrible for learning.
Poopfeast
Profile Joined September 2010
160 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-04 21:57:28
December 04 2015 21:56 GMT
#23
On December 05 2015 06:05 Naracs_Duc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 04 2015 14:17 BronzeKnee wrote:
On December 03 2015 18:33 Ryndika wrote:
Pick any proper player from streams and you'll learn it in no time as long as you play yourself too.


I really don't think this is a good advice at all. Pro players do so much subtly that low level players (or even other high level players) don't even realize. Much better off getting dedicated help from someone trying to teach low level players and who explains what they are doing and why. That is what Day[9] did so well, and how I got to Masters in SC2. Understanding the fundamentals first.

I never would have become good just watching pros stream.


Watching pros streaming is like watching a pianist. Great for entertainment--but terrible for learning.


wow what a clever comment eksdee. Too bad it's bullshit, watching pro streams is like watching grandmaster chess games. Any player will be able to detect patterns in play and events when given a set of grandmaster chess games, and deduce the next best move, introducing a way of thinking where you need to dissect the game and figure out why something is played. The benefit of pro streams is that they will occasionally explain their thoughts as well, as opposed to chess games without annotations
Stream http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Poopfeast
Naracs_Duc
Profile Joined August 2015
746 Posts
December 04 2015 22:38 GMT
#24
On December 05 2015 06:56 Poopfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2015 06:05 Naracs_Duc wrote:
On December 04 2015 14:17 BronzeKnee wrote:
On December 03 2015 18:33 Ryndika wrote:
Pick any proper player from streams and you'll learn it in no time as long as you play yourself too.


I really don't think this is a good advice at all. Pro players do so much subtly that low level players (or even other high level players) don't even realize. Much better off getting dedicated help from someone trying to teach low level players and who explains what they are doing and why. That is what Day[9] did so well, and how I got to Masters in SC2. Understanding the fundamentals first.

I never would have become good just watching pros stream.


Watching pros streaming is like watching a pianist. Great for entertainment--but terrible for learning.


wow what a clever comment eksdee. Too bad it's bullshit, watching pro streams is like watching grandmaster chess games. Any player will be able to detect patterns in play and events when given a set of grandmaster chess games, and deduce the next best move, introducing a way of thinking where you need to dissect the game and figure out why something is played. The benefit of pro streams is that they will occasionally explain their thoughts as well, as opposed to chess games without annotations


This is kind of the point right, the annotations is what teaches, not the stream. Winter, for example, can teach a lot just because he talks during his stream. Even Avilo teaches a lot just because he talks on his stream. But you have to make sure to understand that when watching a pro stream, you are actually watching/listening to the pro, and not to the actual game.

Its the difference between learning a build order for a matchup versus learning the rhythms of a matchup.
Poopfeast
Profile Joined September 2010
160 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-04 22:43:52
December 04 2015 22:43 GMT
#25
On December 05 2015 07:38 Naracs_Duc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2015 06:56 Poopfeast wrote:
On December 05 2015 06:05 Naracs_Duc wrote:
On December 04 2015 14:17 BronzeKnee wrote:
On December 03 2015 18:33 Ryndika wrote:
Pick any proper player from streams and you'll learn it in no time as long as you play yourself too.


I really don't think this is a good advice at all. Pro players do so much subtly that low level players (or even other high level players) don't even realize. Much better off getting dedicated help from someone trying to teach low level players and who explains what they are doing and why. That is what Day[9] did so well, and how I got to Masters in SC2. Understanding the fundamentals first.

I never would have become good just watching pros stream.


Watching pros streaming is like watching a pianist. Great for entertainment--but terrible for learning.


wow what a clever comment eksdee. Too bad it's bullshit, watching pro streams is like watching grandmaster chess games. Any player will be able to detect patterns in play and events when given a set of grandmaster chess games, and deduce the next best move, introducing a way of thinking where you need to dissect the game and figure out why something is played. The benefit of pro streams is that they will occasionally explain their thoughts as well, as opposed to chess games without annotations


This is kind of the point right, the annotations is what teaches, not the stream. Winter, for example, can teach a lot just because he talks during his stream. Even Avilo teaches a lot just because he talks on his stream. But you have to make sure to understand that when watching a pro stream, you are actually watching/listening to the pro, and not to the actual game.

Its the difference between learning a build order for a matchup versus learning the rhythms of a matchup.


No, read what I wrote and not what you want to read.
Stream http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/Poopfeast
Dumbledore
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden725 Posts
December 05 2015 08:55 GMT
#26
On December 03 2015 08:05 BronzeKnee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2015 03:06 Dumbledore wrote:
On December 02 2015 23:40 GearRSA wrote:
Hi,

I've also been away since WoL and started again now, this guy helped a lot to get back into it.

You can go and subscribe to wintergaming on Youtube follow him on twitch.
He is a master random player with some tutorials of all the races on his Youtube channel.

https://www.youtube.com/user/WinterStarcraft
http://www.twitch.tv/wintergaming/profile

Hope it helps.


Lol 1 post and you advertise this viewbotter?


I recommend Winter also, strongly. I was Masters in WOL, and am using his videos.

And I have almost 10x the posts you do.

You don't need to learn from the absolutely best player of any race out there. I got quite good emulating and learning from WBC, HwangSin and Naniwa. Needless to say, I like timing attacks.


I hope you realise there is a difference between someone with 1 post and someone with my post count compared to yours / mine....
If not you are beyond help.
Have a nice day ;)
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-12-05 14:42:14
December 05 2015 14:40 GMT
#27
In my opinion the best is still replay packs. You're in luck, dreamhack just released their's
If you aren't familiar with working with replays there is day 9 daily on that subject iirc
Gl hf

Edit: here is the url
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/499464-dreamhack-roccat-replay-pack-released
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