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stoic81
5 Posts
I was pretty active 6-5 years ago when Starcraft 2 first came out. Day 9 had a great series to help new players. It had strategy, psychology, everything really. Anything like that these days? Anything to help someone get started with LoTV. I will be playing Zerg once I am done installing.. I love to have some video in the background as I go. Ideally something educational like the Day9 stuff. | ||
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Yilias
United States20 Posts
You'll have a hard time finding solid build orders right now because for the most part even the pros are still experimenting and learning. The strategy forum itself also seems largely empty, I haven't had the most luck here. There was this thread from two weeks ago that might give you an idea of what to work towards learning. Hopefully stuff peps up a bit after our first big tournament rolls around and all the pros bring their strats into the light. | ||
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Rukis
United States252 Posts
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JulDraGoN
Sweden370 Posts
I suggest you just watch a stream of some pro player that you like. Write down one build order for each race and start playing. The openings for the first minutes or so tends to be quite optimized but from there it's about finding something that works for you. Right now people are still just experimenting with what works and what doesn't. A lot of people, including myself, still play around using old strategies with just a twist of the new stuff. Kind of works. We'll see what the pros comes up with on DreamHack, exciting times! The "softer" parts of playing the game, like mentality, mechanics, general on how to learn and those types of things hasn't changed. You can look up old threads and VODs and they will still hold true to day. | ||
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aaycumi
England265 Posts
But it was way too time consuming to make day 9 dailies and develop a game. @day9tv 2015-03-16 16:41 UTC @IVILeGeND For now yeah! Takes about 3-4 hours to prep each show and I don't have the hours lately unfortunately. Hearthstone takes 0 prep From a reddit thread. Sry you're just going to have to keep the supply depots coming and keep your minerals below 400. May be after meta has settle down a bit, and his game is finished. But that could be 6+ months from now to years. Sorry, I don't better news. | ||
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NewModel
Germany124 Posts
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Dumbledore
Sweden725 Posts
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BigRedDog
461 Posts
Just keep an eye on what's new in LOTV (OL can now research drop individually after building a evo etc.) Other than that, have fun! | ||
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Vedeynevin
United States431 Posts
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GearRSA
1 Post
I've also been away since WoL and started again now, this guy helped a lot to get back into it. You can go and subscribe to wintergaming on Youtube follow him on twitch. He is a master random player with some tutorials of all the races on his Youtube channel. https://www.youtube.com/user/WinterStarcraft http://www.twitch.tv/wintergaming/profile Hope it helps. | ||
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Dumbledore
Sweden725 Posts
On December 02 2015 23:40 GearRSA wrote: Hi, I've also been away since WoL and started again now, this guy helped a lot to get back into it. You can go and subscribe to wintergaming on Youtube follow him on twitch. He is a master random player with some tutorials of all the races on his Youtube channel. https://www.youtube.com/user/WinterStarcraft http://www.twitch.tv/wintergaming/profile Hope it helps. Lol 1 post and you advertise this viewbotter? | ||
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ThunderBum
Australia192 Posts
On December 02 2015 23:40 GearRSA wrote: Hi, I've also been away since WoL and started again now, this guy helped a lot to get back into it. You can go and subscribe to wintergaming on Youtube follow him on twitch. He is a master random player with some tutorials of all the races on his Youtube channel. https://www.youtube.com/user/WinterStarcraft http://www.twitch.tv/wintergaming/profile Hope it helps. I disagree Winter, I think virtually all pro streams are more informative and more enjoyable than watching your stream. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5219 Posts
On December 03 2015 03:06 Dumbledore wrote: Lol 1 post and you advertise this viewbotter? I recommend Winter also, strongly. I was Masters in WOL, and am using his videos. And I have almost 10x the posts you do. You don't need to learn from the absolutely best player of any race out there. I got quite good emulating and learning from WBC, HwangSin and Naniwa. Needless to say, I like timing attacks. | ||
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Naracs_Duc
746 Posts
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Risk.781
20 Posts
TY vs Parting G1 & G2 Excruciatingly Detailed Cold Analysis, see if you like what I am doing  Trying to strive to fill the void that day9 has left. | ||
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ShambhalaWar
United States930 Posts
I wish there was something like day9 out now for lotv. On December 03 2015 03:06 Dumbledore wrote: Lol 1 post and you advertise this viewbotter? You're an idiot. | ||
digmouse
China6331 Posts
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Mistakes
United States1102 Posts
To everyone saying: "I wish Day9 was here".. He is, but better, and his name is CatZ. Check VODs and check out when he's streaming. EDIT: Also Neuro is helpful sometimes. | ||
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Ryndika
1489 Posts
You should check neuro stream before all, catz if you can stand his music and singing and then TLO. Skip winter if you didn't get the memo. | ||
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Mistakes
United States1102 Posts
On December 03 2015 18:33 Ryndika wrote: Pick any proper player from streams and you'll learn it in no time as long as you play yourself too. You should check neuro stream before all, catz if you can stand his music and singing and then TLO. Skip winter if you didn't get the memo. CatZ pretty much stopped doing the 'music and lolwhatever' streams. He's been doing almost exclusively commentary and replay analysis over the last couple weeks. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5219 Posts
On December 03 2015 18:33 Ryndika wrote: Pick any proper player from streams and you'll learn it in no time as long as you play yourself too. I really don't think this is a good advice at all. Pro players do so much subtly that low level players (or even other high level players) don't even realize. Much better off getting dedicated help from someone trying to teach low level players and who explains what they are doing and why. That is what Day[9] did so well, and how I got to Masters in SC2. Understanding the fundamentals first. I never would have become good just watching pros stream. | ||
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Naracs_Duc
746 Posts
On December 04 2015 14:17 BronzeKnee wrote: I really don't think this is a good advice at all. Pro players do so much subtly that low level players (or even other high level players) don't even realize. Much better off getting dedicated help from someone trying to teach low level players and who explains what they are doing and why. That is what Day[9] did so well, and how I got to Masters in SC2. Understanding the fundamentals first. I never would have become good just watching pros stream. Watching pros streaming is like watching a pianist. Great for entertainment--but terrible for learning. | ||
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Poopfeast
160 Posts
On December 05 2015 06:05 Naracs_Duc wrote: Watching pros streaming is like watching a pianist. Great for entertainment--but terrible for learning. wow what a clever comment eksdee. Too bad it's bullshit, watching pro streams is like watching grandmaster chess games. Any player will be able to detect patterns in play and events when given a set of grandmaster chess games, and deduce the next best move, introducing a way of thinking where you need to dissect the game and figure out why something is played. The benefit of pro streams is that they will occasionally explain their thoughts as well, as opposed to chess games without annotations | ||
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Naracs_Duc
746 Posts
On December 05 2015 06:56 Poopfeast wrote: wow what a clever comment eksdee. Too bad it's bullshit, watching pro streams is like watching grandmaster chess games. Any player will be able to detect patterns in play and events when given a set of grandmaster chess games, and deduce the next best move, introducing a way of thinking where you need to dissect the game and figure out why something is played. The benefit of pro streams is that they will occasionally explain their thoughts as well, as opposed to chess games without annotations This is kind of the point right, the annotations is what teaches, not the stream. Winter, for example, can teach a lot just because he talks during his stream. Even Avilo teaches a lot just because he talks on his stream. But you have to make sure to understand that when watching a pro stream, you are actually watching/listening to the pro, and not to the actual game. Its the difference between learning a build order for a matchup versus learning the rhythms of a matchup. | ||
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Poopfeast
160 Posts
On December 05 2015 07:38 Naracs_Duc wrote: This is kind of the point right, the annotations is what teaches, not the stream. Winter, for example, can teach a lot just because he talks during his stream. Even Avilo teaches a lot just because he talks on his stream. But you have to make sure to understand that when watching a pro stream, you are actually watching/listening to the pro, and not to the actual game. Its the difference between learning a build order for a matchup versus learning the rhythms of a matchup. No, read what I wrote and not what you want to read. | ||
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Dumbledore
Sweden725 Posts
On December 03 2015 08:05 BronzeKnee wrote: I recommend Winter also, strongly. I was Masters in WOL, and am using his videos. And I have almost 10x the posts you do. You don't need to learn from the absolutely best player of any race out there. I got quite good emulating and learning from WBC, HwangSin and Naniwa. Needless to say, I like timing attacks. I hope you realise there is a difference between someone with 1 post and someone with my post count compared to yours / mine.... If not you are beyond help. | ||
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Douillos
France3195 Posts
If you aren't familiar with working with replays there is day 9 daily on that subject iirc Gl hf Edit: here is the url http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/starcraft-2/499464-dreamhack-roccat-replay-pack-released | ||
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