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Gangnam Terran: Bbyong Goes For Gold

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Gangnam Terran: Bbyong Goes For Gold

Text byTL Strategy
Graphics byshiroiusagi
June 19th, 2014 17:44 GMT

Introduction: What's in a Name?


Gangnam Terran has to be one of the greatest names given to a strategy in StarCraft 2, if not all of gaming.

Never heard of it? Well, in English speaking circles, it's known by the clunkier and significantly less cool title of "Habitation-Station-gold-base-command-center-float."

The name Gangnam Terran comes from a clever play on Korean popular culture. If you've used the internet in the last year or so, you'll have heard of PSY's viral sensation Gangnam Style. Gangnam refers to a particularly affluent district of Seoul, a symbol of Korean wealth and materialism that PSY satirizes in his song. Coincidentally, Gangnam literally translates to "south of the river," lying south across the Han river from Seoul's old downtown.

Given that the Habitation Station gold float is a strategy where you move south across a river (IN SPACE!!!) in pursuit of great material wealth, Gangnam Terran couldn't be a more appropriate name. Kudos to the Koreans -- That's some TLO level creativity.

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One of the best players at using Gangnam Terran has been (T)CJ_Bbyong. While he's been a great all around player in Proleague, he's looked especially dominant when playing TvP on Habitation Station. With a 3-0 record against top class Protoss players (Stork, PartinG, and sOs) on the map, Bbyong has shown an unmatched mastery of Gangnam Terran.

Basic Build Order:
Lift Command Center to gold base
8 Supply Depot
10 Barracks
11 Refinery
13 (Barracks completes) Marine, Orbital, Bunker
Constant Marine production
16 Factory
16 Supply Depot
17 Refinery
Unlike many one base plays, Bbyong's version of Gangnam Terran is gimmick free and totally solid – not what you'd expect from what's essentially a 1-base all-in! There is no trickery involved as his opponents are completely aware of what he is going to do. However, just knowing is not enough to stop Bbyong, due his beautiful scouting, precise execution, and manipulation of the information game.

Up until the four minute mark, Bbyong plays each game almost identically, following the basic build order shown to the left.

After this opening template, Bbyong gets a widow mine for defense while going for Starport tech. Bbyong can adapt his build depending on what he scouts from his opponent. His end goal in terms of production is set at one factory, one starport, and four marines at a time (whatever combination of barracks and reactors), but he can take different paths to get there. Once Bbyong has set himself up, he makes sure he doesn't cut any corners and uses simple, solid principles to secure the win.

Bbyong vs Stork




Build Order:
Lift Command Center to gold base
8 Supply Depot
10 Barracks #1
11 Refinery
13 Marine (produce 5 until reactor, then resume)
13 Orbital Command, Bunker
16 Factory, Refinery, Supply Depot
23 Starport, Widow Mine, Supply Depot
26 Hellion, Reactor (on Rax #1), Barracks #2
29 Tech lab on Starport
29 Barracks #3
30 Raven, Tech lab on Factory
Cut SCVs here, 22 total
Tank production when ready
[6:30] Banshee + Cloak
In this game, Stork missed the initial scout, but ultimately it did not have too much of an impact on the outcome because Bbyong doesn’t plan on tricking anyone with this build. Even so, Stork did still spot the factory go down, so he knew that a tech based play is coming out of Bbyong.

Bbyong in this game chose to go up to five marines and then made a reactor immediately upon seeing the stalker and mothership core. By seeing this early pressure coming, he knew that Stork could either have skipped his nexus or gotten a later one. With this knowledge, there are a few options Bbyong had to account for; Stork could be going for a gateway rush, in which case the bunker will hold with repairs, a late expansion, meaning that not as many marines are needed to defend, or fast tech. The first two options are covered by simply having a bunker, and the last option will be taken care of by the starport.
The way he chose to defend against a tech based response from Stork was to get a fast raven out. The widow mine and bunker provide coverage for all the workers against an oracle rush, while the raven provides detection for dark templars and also the point defence drone against blink plays. Bbyong is watertight.

The crucial hellion scout at 6:00 showed Bbyong that Stork was going for a one base blink play, and Bbyong’s reaction was perfect. He knew that Stork probably did not have many observers out after making so many stalkers off a one-base economy, and thus went for cloaked banshees. The first observer was with the stalker ball looking for an opening in Bbyong’s high ground fortress, and then a cloaked banshee waltzed into Storks base completely uncontested and began to pick off his workers.
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Unfortunately, Immortals don't detect.


The one base economy of Stork, especially after being forced to build a few observers and losing some workers, could not compete with the gold base economy of Bbyong and at 11:30 Bbyong delivered a single clean killing blow to finish out the game.

Bbyong vs $O$





Build Order:
Lift Command Center to gold base
8 Supply Depot
10 Barracks #1
11 Refinery
13 Marine (produce 8 until reactor, then resume)
13 Orbital Command, Bunker
16 Factory
17 Supply Depot
18 Refinery (Factory at 50)
21 Starport, Widow Mine
25 Supply Depot
Units start dying here so numbers are iffy
29 Hellion
31 Medivac
33 Hellion
35 Reactor (on Rax #1), Barracks #2 and #3
[6:15] Marine drop with hellion runby
36 Tech lab (on factory), Tech lab (on starport)
Tank production when ready
One Raven when ready


Scouting quickly, sOs immediately decided to skip his units and get a fast nexus before mothership core, and stargate before stalker.

In turn, Bbyong decided to scout early this game as well, because in comparison to Stork, sOs can adjust his build quicker to the strange play from Bbyong. He saw a quick nexus before mothership core, and a quick double gas. Scouting these things, he knew that a stargate play was coming out.

In this game, he went up to 7 marines and got a quick single medivac before his addons.

He can get away with such an undefended base because protoss simply can not have very many units on the field, and he has faith that the widow mine will defend his workers.


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Can you spot the widow mine?


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Neither could sOs.



In the meantime, Bbyong was dropping at sOs’ natural and getting probe kills completely for free. This drop is brilliant because of how few units sOs has, but he won’t want to continue dropping for long because of the potential for chronoboosted phoenixes.

Following this up is a raven. This is so smart from Bbyong. What can sOs do right now after the drop?

He is mining a lot of gas. That gas has to be going into stargate units, or stalkers. Something like a banshee followup is not that strong due to oracle detection, and continued drops were ruled out as a possibility earlier. The raven is excellent because PDD blocks the nexus cannon, stalker shots, and phoenix shots. Especially at low unit counts, a well positioned PDD lasts seemingly forever and single-handedly swings the battle in favor of the terran player.

The hellions in this game proved to be rather trivial, unlike the other two, but any opportunity to bait out a nexus overcharge is one that should be taken.

Finally, it did not matter what sOs chose to do, Bbyong accounted for all possibilites and came in with the death push at the 10:00 mark.

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I think this one speaks for itself.



Bbyong vs PartinG





Build Order:
Lift Command Center to gold base
8 Supply Depot
10 Barracks #1
11 Refinery
13 Marine (produce 3 until reactor, then resume)
13 Orbital Command, Bunker
16 Factory, Supply Depot
17 Refinery
19 Reactor (on Rax #1)
20 Starport
21 Widow Mine
25 Barracks
27 Hellion, Supply Depot
29 Medivac
36 Reactor (on Rax #2)
Cut SCVs at 21
40 Medivac, Factory Tech Lab
[6:30] Marine drop with hellion runby
Viking and tank production
PartinG, like sOs scouted Bbyong’s shenanigans quite early and reacted with a nexus before mothership core and a slightly later second gas.

It’s interesting to note that Bbyong was completely comfortable using only three marines, without any scouting information at all. His first scout in the game actually came out at 6:00, which is a testament to how confident he is to hold off any early rushes.

At the same time, he makes a second medivac in response to the conspicuous lack of an oracle. Given the protoss tendency to rely on a nexus overcharge to defend incoming attacks, this is a very smart move. PartinG can only guarantee one base to be defended, for one minute at a time with the overcharge, so Bbyong having two medivacs with marines in them allows him to find holes in the defence and to do damage.

Once Bbyong baited out the overcharge with the hellions, he immediately loaded up all of his marines and did a double drop. Without the overcharge, PartinG did not have enough units to stop the drop and Bbyong is able to delay the collosus count from getting too high by sniping the artosis pylon.

Once Bbyong confirmed that collosus were coming out, he began to relentlessly drop in order to keep the unit count of PartinG low, and thus make it impossible for him to hold off the impending allin.

Even with some badly miscontrolled vikings, Bbyong simply crashed through PartinG’s army and won by the 12:00 mark.



Bbyong is becoming a very hot player in proleague and can be expected to become a household scary story used by mothers to keep their children in line. Within the starcraft community it is already common for parents to tell their children to go to bed early or else be attacked by the Bbyong monster.

Based on extensive off-camera interviews with many of Bbyong's recent victims, they describe the experience as being hunted by a demon with a devilish grin who is slightly faster, slightly smarter, and slightly stronger than a regular human should be.

They reportedly have suffered from nightmares of a shadowy figure with yellow glowing minerals in their hand chasing them down. Many are considering beginning their military service early in order to be able to talk with the PTSD therapists on hand.

Fear is real. Fear is Bbyong.

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The thousand yard stare.


Brought to you by the TL Strategy Team
Writer: Thaniri
Graphics: shiroiusagi
Editors: Thaniri, NovemberstOrm, Waxangel.
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Clazziquai10
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Singapore1949 Posts
June 19 2014 17:54 GMT
#2
Haha nice
GhostCrypt
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United Kingdom19 Posts
June 19 2014 17:56 GMT
#3
Always wanted a Terran article :D Theenks man!
Incognoto
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France10239 Posts
June 19 2014 17:58 GMT
#4
BByong probably top 5 terran? Flash, bbyong, maru, innovation and someone else.

How does that sound?
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LinYu)Fury
Profile Joined September 2003
Norway200 Posts
June 19 2014 17:59 GMT
#5
I'm wondering how come protoss doesn't just send an early probe blind to block cc and win. seems easy enough.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-19 18:01:45
June 19 2014 18:00 GMT
#6
Terran finally gets their article, and of course its about gangnam terran. Does TL Strategy choose which strategies to write about based on how sadistic they are? If so I'm gladly awaiting your hellbat push article.

On June 20 2014 02:59 LinYu)Fury wrote:
I'm wondering how come protoss doesn't just send an early probe blind to block cc and win. seems easy enough.


The protoss's economy get neutered if the terran doesn't lift off, and you can't deny the cc for that long anyway when there are 6 SCVs chasing your probe.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
June 19 2014 18:00 GMT
#7
A welcome article after the publication of the Protoss Book of Bullshit. Time for some pay back.
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digmouse
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
China6329 Posts
June 19 2014 18:00 GMT
#8
I thought the gold base is to the west/east?
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Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
June 19 2014 18:01 GMT
#9
On June 20 2014 02:58 Incognoto wrote:
BByong probably top 5 terran? Flash, bbyong, maru, innovation and someone else.

How does that sound?

Taeja and Polt > Flash
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
June 19 2014 18:01 GMT
#10
On June 20 2014 03:00 digmouse wrote:
I thought the gold base is to the west/east?


in Space there is no South/North/East/West so it's still an appropriate title.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 19 2014 18:02 GMT
#11
On June 20 2014 03:01 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 02:58 Incognoto wrote:
BByong probably top 5 terran? Flash, bbyong, maru, innovation and someone else.

How does that sound?

Taeja and Polt > Flash


Supernova > Flash too.
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Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8157 Posts
June 19 2014 18:03 GMT
#12
On June 20 2014 03:00 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Terran finally gets their article, and of course its about gangnam terran. Does TL Strategy choose which strategies to write about based on how sadistic they are? If so I'm gladly awaiting your hellbat push article.

Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 02:59 LinYu)Fury wrote:
I'm wondering how come protoss doesn't just send an early probe blind to block cc and win. seems easy enough.


The protoss's economy get neutered if the terran doesn't lift off, and you can't deny the cc for that long anyway when there are 6 SCVs chasing your probe.


The hellbat one is coming.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16056 Posts
June 19 2014 18:04 GMT
#13
On June 20 2014 03:02 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 03:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 20 2014 02:58 Incognoto wrote:
BByong probably top 5 terran? Flash, bbyong, maru, innovation and someone else.

How does that sound?

Taeja and Polt > Flash


Supernova > Flash too.


Supernova will forever until the day he retires be underrated.
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Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
June 19 2014 18:05 GMT
#14
Do you hate Terran? Well, sucks to be you. TL Strategy's next article introduces Bbyong's particularly evil method of playing PvT on Habitation Station, where he's used gold minerals to defeat Stork, sOs, and PartinG.


Shouldn't that be TvP instead of PvT?

At any rate it's always fun to watch, saw Taeja pull it off at Dreamhack.
Tanks are actually seeing some action vs Protoss. :D
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Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
June 19 2014 18:11 GMT
#15
On June 20 2014 02:58 Incognoto wrote:
BByong probably top 5 terran? Flash, bbyong, maru, innovation and someone else.

How does that sound?


Top 2 Terran, second only to Maru (but of course, since he's a badass he'll stomp Maru whenever they face off)
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
June 19 2014 18:13 GMT
#16
I love how we went from serious guides to "hey check THIS bullshit out guys! It's awesome, free ladder points for everyone!"
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 19 2014 18:14 GMT
#17
On June 20 2014 03:11 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 02:58 Incognoto wrote:
BByong probably top 5 terran? Flash, bbyong, maru, innovation and someone else.

How does that sound?


Top 2 Terran, second only to Maru (but of course, since he's a badass he'll stomp Maru whenever they face off)

bbyong should just stick to TvZ and TvP because he struggles to win anything greater than bo1 in TvT
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Canada5973 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-19 18:14:57
June 19 2014 18:14 GMT
#18
On June 20 2014 03:01 Darkhorse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 02:58 Incognoto wrote:
BByong probably top 5 terran? Flash, bbyong, maru, innovation and someone else.

How does that sound?

Taeja and Polt > Flash

Hard to make a real case for them since they don't play vs the real powerhouse players. Sure they wreck foreign tournaments that do have good players like MMA, MC, JD, Hyun, but I would say they don't quite compare to the PL players

Although Taeja wrecked pretty hard when he was in PL that one season, mostly talking about Polt
Refer to my post.
stuchiu
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 19 2014 18:17 GMT
#19
On June 20 2014 03:13 Teoita wrote:
I love how we went from serious guides to "hey check THIS bullshit out guys! It's awesome, free ladder points for everyone!"


Injustice never dies.
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 19 2014 18:18 GMT
#20
On June 20 2014 03:14 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 03:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 20 2014 02:58 Incognoto wrote:
BByong probably top 5 terran? Flash, bbyong, maru, innovation and someone else.

How does that sound?

Taeja and Polt > Flash

Hard to make a real case for them since they don't play vs the real powerhouse players. Sure they wreck foreign tournaments that do have good players like MMA, MC, JD, Hyun, but I would say they don't quite compare to the PL players

Although Taeja wrecked pretty hard when he was in PL that one season, mostly talking about Polt


Polt beat Classic and Rain in the hardest PvT map pool of all time. What else do you want from him?
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Thyrym
Profile Joined December 2013
89 Posts
June 19 2014 18:22 GMT
#21
when people lift i just hide a dt shrine... works quite nicely @-@
Zenbrez
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Canada5973 Posts
June 19 2014 18:26 GMT
#22
On June 20 2014 03:18 stuchiu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 03:14 Zenbrez wrote:
On June 20 2014 03:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 20 2014 02:58 Incognoto wrote:
BByong probably top 5 terran? Flash, bbyong, maru, innovation and someone else.

How does that sound?

Taeja and Polt > Flash

Hard to make a real case for them since they don't play vs the real powerhouse players. Sure they wreck foreign tournaments that do have good players like MMA, MC, JD, Hyun, but I would say they don't quite compare to the PL players

Although Taeja wrecked pretty hard when he was in PL that one season, mostly talking about Polt


Polt beat Classic and Rain in the hardest PvT map pool of all time. What else do you want from him?

To play more than 2 matches?
Refer to my post.
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
June 19 2014 18:27 GMT
#23
On June 20 2014 03:26 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 03:18 stuchiu wrote:
On June 20 2014 03:14 Zenbrez wrote:
On June 20 2014 03:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 20 2014 02:58 Incognoto wrote:
BByong probably top 5 terran? Flash, bbyong, maru, innovation and someone else.

How does that sound?

Taeja and Polt > Flash

Hard to make a real case for them since they don't play vs the real powerhouse players. Sure they wreck foreign tournaments that do have good players like MMA, MC, JD, Hyun, but I would say they don't quite compare to the PL players

Although Taeja wrecked pretty hard when he was in PL that one season, mostly talking about Polt


Polt beat Classic and Rain in the hardest PvT map pool of all time. What else do you want from him?

To play more than 2 matches?


More than what Flash won in GSL
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Ctone23
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States1839 Posts
June 19 2014 18:28 GMT
#24
On June 20 2014 03:13 Teoita wrote:
I love how we went from serious guides to "hey check THIS bullshit out guys! It's awesome, free ladder points for everyone!"



Anything to help people get motivation to ladder -_-
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Joedaddy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1948 Posts
June 19 2014 18:32 GMT
#25
On June 20 2014 03:13 Teoita wrote:
I love how we went from serious guides to "hey check THIS bullshit out guys! It's awesome, free ladder points for everyone!"


Isn't that what every Protoss guide is already?
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triforks
Profile Joined November 2010
United States370 Posts
June 19 2014 18:33 GMT
#26
Uh I think you are mistaken.

This is the Gangnam Terran:

Skynx
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Turkey7150 Posts
June 19 2014 18:39 GMT
#27
Yey for more bullshit guide!
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Finland3295 Posts
June 19 2014 18:46 GMT
#28
On June 20 2014 02:59 LinYu)Fury wrote:
I'm wondering how come protoss doesn't just send an early probe blind to block cc and win. seems easy enough.

Actually if terran is accurate with lift, cc should land just second before probe comes ^^
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Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
June 19 2014 19:06 GMT
#29
Nice read!
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
June 19 2014 19:12 GMT
#30
On June 20 2014 03:22 Thyrym wrote:
when people lift i just hide a dt shrine... works quite nicely @-@


True gangnam terran get a raven and a bunker meaning your DT does nothing :O
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
June 19 2014 19:36 GMT
#31
On June 20 2014 03:33 triforks wrote:
Uh I think you are mistaken.

This is the Gangnam Terran:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezDgdaYsb8I&


That is genuinely amazing.
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DnCL
Profile Joined May 2013
86 Posts
June 19 2014 19:40 GMT
#32
Those articles are awsome thank you TL
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
June 19 2014 19:41 GMT
#33
Here is a very easy way to defeat this silly build. 9 scout on this map, and make a reactive forge. Low ground cannons wreck this build because you can get high ground vision by controlling the watch tower.
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-19 19:44:39
June 19 2014 19:43 GMT
#34
Theorycraft for a possible protoss counter:
1) 9 scout every time (it's not that bad if your opponent doesn't lift, at least you can immediately know the gas timings without losing the probe)
2) if there is a gold base, get a forge and go for a cannon rush on the low ground.
3) send the probe to the xel'naga and give yourself vision to hit the mineral line.

^ lol the post above... I swear when I was already writing this before you posted it...
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
June 19 2014 20:05 GMT
#35
Problem with that is, 9scout is absolute shit against anything else
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opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-19 20:38:19
June 19 2014 20:37 GMT
#36
I think that this strategy is still successful only because of its novelty - but it's surprising that it wins even in PL, where pepole can specifically prepare for the given matchup on the given map.

First of all, it seems ill-advised to play one base against it, because your will have less total money at any given moment and the position is not exposed enough to make up for the difference. On the other hand, if you have an expansion, you should be able to invest in defence more than usual without getting behind, because there is no real way to safely expand for the terran. So why not just build a couple of canons in each base against drop/banshee and either play it normally or do a massive 7gate 2base blink all in?*

*edit: or however many gates you can afford with minerals dumped to forge/canons
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Netherlands836 Posts
June 19 2014 20:55 GMT
#37
Wow that's some cheap stuff o_0
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Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
June 19 2014 21:05 GMT
#38
On June 20 2014 03:13 Teoita wrote:
I love how we went from serious guides to "hey check THIS bullshit out guys! It's awesome, free ladder points for everyone!"


I'm just happy it's us Terrans this time that get this treatment .
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kinsky
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany368 Posts
June 19 2014 21:07 GMT
#39
Finally a terran guide! Thank you so much, you awesome bunch of guys!
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
June 19 2014 21:07 GMT
#40
Meh. Another guide on an easy allin. No wonder everyone is only playing cheap builds on the ladder if these kinds of things get all the spotlight.
WhX
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany778 Posts
June 19 2014 21:08 GMT
#41
Nice one! I guess I'll have to watch the games now
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
June 19 2014 21:34 GMT
#42
On June 20 2014 06:07 Big J wrote:
Meh. Another guide on an easy allin. No wonder everyone is only playing cheap builds on the ladder if these kinds of things get all the spotlight.


We have other guides coming too and they arent one base
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33360 Posts
June 19 2014 21:42 GMT
#43
On June 20 2014 06:34 ZeromuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 06:07 Big J wrote:
Meh. Another guide on an easy allin. No wonder everyone is only playing cheap builds on the ladder if these kinds of things get all the spotlight.


We have other guides coming too and they arent one base


right, 1-base all-ins are situational, but 2 base all-ins can be used as a standard
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EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
June 19 2014 21:42 GMT
#44
On June 20 2014 06:34 ZeromuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 06:07 Big J wrote:
Meh. Another guide on an easy allin. No wonder everyone is only playing cheap builds on the ladder if these kinds of things get all the spotlight.


We have other guides coming too and they arent one base


To be fair, the Protoss Book of Bullshit DID include one 3-base macro attack.
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
June 19 2014 21:42 GMT
#45
On June 20 2014 06:42 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 06:34 ZeromuS wrote:
On June 20 2014 06:07 Big J wrote:
Meh. Another guide on an easy allin. No wonder everyone is only playing cheap builds on the ladder if these kinds of things get all the spotlight.


We have other guides coming too and they arent one base


right, 1-base all-ins are situational, but 2 base all-ins can be used as a standard


True story
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
johnbongham
Profile Joined April 2014
451 Posts
June 19 2014 21:50 GMT
#46
This is the kind of build not even worth trying tbqh
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
June 19 2014 22:01 GMT
#47
On June 20 2014 06:50 johnbongham wrote:
This is the kind of build not even worth trying tbqh

I'm sure Bbyong agrees
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Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8157 Posts
June 19 2014 22:45 GMT
#48
On June 20 2014 07:01 Zealously wrote:
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On June 20 2014 06:50 johnbongham wrote:
This is the kind of build not even worth trying tbqh

I'm sure Bbyong agrees


TaeJa does too
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mostevil
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom611 Posts
June 19 2014 23:21 GMT
#49
Some Terran lift-off bullshit. I like.
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Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
June 19 2014 23:23 GMT
#50
I still remember MKP's hilarious game vs MC wayyyyy back in WoL on metalopolis. I'm glad the spirit of terran lifting off to gold bases lives on.
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Socup
Profile Joined June 2014
190 Posts
June 19 2014 23:51 GMT
#51
On June 20 2014 03:13 Teoita wrote:
I love how we went from serious guides to "hey check THIS bullshit out guys! It's awesome, free ladder points for everyone!"


It's a bad map. Gold maps usually favor Terran, but the way people complain about Terran maybe it necessary to equalize win rates.
There's no reason blizzard can't release new units or fixes to a game without creating another costly "expansion" you've already paid 100$ for, unless they want to treadmill the gambler with future promises of "it gets better"
yido
Profile Joined March 2014
United States350 Posts
June 20 2014 00:38 GMT
#52
Habitation 1-1-1 TvP!
Reminds me of the beta days.
gl hf
Sogetsu
Profile Joined July 2011
514 Posts
June 20 2014 01:28 GMT
#53
I saw Taeja using this against HerO on DH past week and then it worked for me too yesterday lol
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Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37023 Posts
June 20 2014 02:18 GMT
#54
Bbyong Style
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chiasmus
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States134 Posts
June 20 2014 04:19 GMT
#55
On June 20 2014 11:18 Seeker wrote:
Bbyong Style


Oppa Bbyongnam style
FusionSC2
Profile Joined June 2013
Ireland29 Posts
June 20 2014 07:38 GMT
#56
Why is it that the one terran guide is built for one map?

It's kinda unfair that the one guide terran gets is VERY map dependent.
I came, I saw, I conquered
MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
June 20 2014 09:00 GMT
#57
On June 20 2014 03:00 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Terran finally gets their article, and of course its about gangnam terran. Does TL Strategy choose which strategies to write about based on how sadistic they are? If so I'm gladly awaiting your hellbat push article.

Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 02:59 LinYu)Fury wrote:
I'm wondering how come protoss doesn't just send an early probe blind to block cc and win. seems easy enough.


The protoss's economy get neutered if the terran doesn't lift off, and you can't deny the cc for that long anyway when there are 6 SCVs chasing your probe.

just pylon block the place then lol
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
June 20 2014 09:31 GMT
#58
On June 20 2014 16:38 FusionSC2 wrote:
Why is it that the one terran guide is built for one map?

It's kinda unfair that the one guide terran gets is VERY map dependent.


These are written on a voluntary basis - the writers will write about what they think is interesting and/or entertaining. There was a comprehensive Innovation-style 4M guide last year because there was a lot to talk about, for example.
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Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8157 Posts
June 20 2014 10:20 GMT
#59
On June 20 2014 16:38 FusionSC2 wrote:
Why is it that the one terran guide is built for one map?

It's kinda unfair that the one guide terran gets is VERY map dependent.


You're lucky hellbats can be made on every map
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Lizarb
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark307 Posts
June 20 2014 10:38 GMT
#60
Hahaha Gangnam Terran. Love it.
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tesTOSSterone
Profile Joined July 2013
Canada15 Posts
June 20 2014 21:40 GMT
#61
On June 20 2014 03:14 Zenbrez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 03:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 20 2014 02:58 Incognoto wrote:
BByong probably top 5 terran? Flash, bbyong, maru, innovation and someone else.

How does that sound?

Taeja and Polt > Flash

Hard to make a real case for them since they don't play vs the real powerhouse players. Sure they wreck foreign tournaments that do have good players like MMA, MC, JD, Hyun, but I would say they don't quite compare to the PL players

Although Taeja wrecked pretty hard when he was in PL that one season, mostly talking about Polt



Dude plz shutup you don't know what you are talking about. Just because someone plays in PL doesn't make them automatically better than every other player who doesn't play in PL.

It's funny how you say guys who participate in foreign tournaments don't compare to the PL players. Let me give you a few reminders, MC just beat TY in Dreamhack Bucharast a few months ago.

And Hyun who you also think is just "ok" beat RorO in Bucharast as well. Have you ever heard of TY and RorO? I think they play in PL, and RorO is occasionally in Code S. You do watch PL right? Facepalm!

Other notables, Bomber and Snute both beat Stork at Homestory Cup IX. Stork plays in PL and also made it to GSL Code S Rnd 32 in the recent season. Ever heard of Stork?

What a goof.




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Tinglerak
Profile Joined June 2014
Germany1 Post
June 21 2014 14:49 GMT
#62
On June 21 2014 06:40 tesTOSSterone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 03:14 Zenbrez wrote:
On June 20 2014 03:01 Darkhorse wrote:
On June 20 2014 02:58 Incognoto wrote:
BByong probably top 5 terran? Flash, bbyong, maru, innovation and someone else.

How does that sound?

Taeja and Polt > Flash

Hard to make a real case for them since they don't play vs the real powerhouse players. Sure they wreck foreign tournaments that do have good players like MMA, MC, JD, Hyun, but I would say they don't quite compare to the PL players

Although Taeja wrecked pretty hard when he was in PL that one season, mostly talking about Polt



Dude plz shutup you don't know what you are talking about. Just because someone plays in PL doesn't make them automatically better than every other player who doesn't play in PL.

It's funny how you say guys who participate in foreign tournaments don't compare to the PL players. Let me give you a few reminders, MC just beat TY in Dreamhack Bucharast a few months ago.

And Hyun who you also think is just "ok" beat RorO in Bucharast as well. Have you ever heard of TY and RorO? I think they play in PL, and RorO is occasionally in Code S. You do watch PL right? Facepalm!

Other notables, Bomber and Snute both beat Stork at Homestory Cup IX. Stork plays in PL and also made it to GSL Code S Rnd 32 in the recent season. Ever heard of Stork?

What a goof.



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There is a huge Problem with your "argument".
I think you have not understood some of the principals in competive sports and esports in general. The fact, that you back your argument with such great examples like "Snute beat Stork this one time on a foreign tournament Stork didn´t raly prepare for". This is not the way "compete" should be interpreted. In a game as Starcraft 2 sadly there is nothing like" the better player wins everytime". Even the Best players have winrations of about 60-70% if at all, so a single loss should not be concidered at all(just by the casters to create a hype).

There is a smaller pool of Koreans, that play in foreign tournaments as there are in korea of course. SO if they play a tournament they most likely won´t hit each other until like ro8, giving them a winratio of about 70-80%, BECAUSE they played "weaker" foreigners unitl this point. Then one of the koreans will win the tournament (mc, taeja,potl,hyun), but that not consistently...even if Taeja had a good run in the last moths, they pretty much rotate the trophys amongst another. So if you don´t count in the easier oponents such as RANDOMFOREIGNER3B they actually don´t have the most amazing of winrates.

In Proleague on the other hand, most of the players are at least close to the skill-level of the top foreign koreans. So if you have a Proleague Player with winrates close to 70%, this is way more impressive then the fact that someone somehow won a game of someone( wtf is this argument about snute beating Stork....thats just irrelevant).




ThorPool
Profile Joined February 2014
Panama145 Posts
June 21 2014 16:19 GMT
#63
Nice guide !!! <3 Thank you ^_^
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DirtyBirD
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States239 Posts
June 21 2014 21:26 GMT
#64
My God... Now we are splitting the Koreans up into more than one group. "Koreans" and "Foreign Koreans" lol What the hell? Your argument about which Koreans are better is like Shampoo vs Conditioner: [image loading]

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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
June 21 2014 21:31 GMT
#65
On June 22 2014 06:26 DirtyBirD wrote:
My God... Now we are splitting the Koreans up into more than one group. "Koreans" and "Foreign Koreans" lol What the hell? Your argument about which Koreans are better is like Shampoo vs Conditioner: [image loading]


it's actually not a bad splitting up to do.

foreign Koreans don't play in the actual Korean scene. people don't play better because they're from a different country, it's the scene that shapes a player. As Koreans leave Korea to participate in the foreign scene, they don't participate in the GSL or Proleague. Hence, they're in a different scene that shapes them up differently. I feel it's a distinction worth mentioning, obviously Koreans playing in foreign events aren't bad or anything but the tournaments they play in are certainly easier than GSL or PL.
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Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-22 14:19:37
June 22 2014 14:19 GMT
#66
ahahahahaha. I finally had time to read this and the comments. literally thread of gold guys.
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y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
June 23 2014 22:42 GMT
#67
On June 22 2014 23:19 wo1fwood wrote:
ahahahahaha. I finally had time to read this and the comments. literally thread of gold guys.

well played
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
June 24 2014 15:08 GMT
#68
Ok I have verified that cannon rush doesn't work vs. this opening.
Terran has to pull 5-6 workers and build a bunker in the xel'naga, then rally marines there. Without the xel'naga there's no way for the cannon rush to gain high ground vision and hit something. Then it's pretty much autowin.
Universum
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada192 Posts
June 24 2014 16:27 GMT
#69
On June 25 2014 00:08 KingAlphard wrote:
Ok I have verified that cannon rush doesn't work vs. this opening.
Terran has to pull 5-6 workers and build a bunker in the xel'naga, then rally marines there. Without the xel'naga there's no way for the cannon rush to gain high ground vision and hit something. Then it's pretty much autowin.


Though it was an interesting approach to the problem !
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Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-24 23:37:14
June 24 2014 23:36 GMT
#70
On June 25 2014 01:27 Universum wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2014 00:08 KingAlphard wrote:
Ok I have verified that cannon rush doesn't work vs. this opening.
Terran has to pull 5-6 workers and build a bunker in the xel'naga, then rally marines there. Without the xel'naga there's no way for the cannon rush to gain high ground vision and hit something. Then it's pretty much autowin.


Though it was an interesting approach to the problem !


The Toss can also steal a gas geyser to get high ground vision. Assimilators have a tremendous amount of hitpoints and shields. The Toss should steal one right away so that he has an extra source of high ground vision in addition to the tower.
KingAlphard
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Italy1705 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-25 21:30:48
June 25 2014 21:28 GMT
#71
On June 25 2014 08:36 Salient wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2014 01:27 Universum wrote:
On June 25 2014 00:08 KingAlphard wrote:
Ok I have verified that cannon rush doesn't work vs. this opening.
Terran has to pull 5-6 workers and build a bunker in the xel'naga, then rally marines there. Without the xel'naga there's no way for the cannon rush to gain high ground vision and hit something. Then it's pretty much autowin.


Though it was an interesting approach to the problem !


The Toss can also steal a gas geyser to get high ground vision. Assimilators have a tremendous amount of hitpoints and shields. The Toss should steal one right away so that he has an extra source of high ground vision in addition to the tower.

That's a good point. I think that there are still some responses to prevent the gas steal but it definitely gives more opportunities.
kinda
Profile Joined April 2015
Korea (South)2 Posts
April 12 2015 08:40 GMT
#72
Gangnam Terran is a best strategy
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
April 12 2015 09:48 GMT
#73
As much as i agree, you probably shouldn't be bumping old threads like this in the future
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
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