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Brazil52 Posts
August 27 2013 20:13 GMT
#21
Seriously Akilon Wastes 2nd best map for zerg? In that roach/hydra timings are very hard to work, mech are super strong. If you dont like Swarm hosts, them akilon sucks for you in my opinion.
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Norway839 Posts
August 27 2013 21:11 GMT
#22
I feel like the poll should be split in ZvP and ZvT, would make more sense!
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Belgium716 Posts
August 27 2013 21:25 GMT
#23
On August 27 2013 14:00 DilemaH wrote:
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On August 27 2013 09:55 blade55555 wrote:
I veto'd belshir and akilon. I hate those maps zvt so much that I am happy to be able to veto both and have an available veto.

I hate akilon because it's so easy to secure a 4th which drags games out that should end awhile ago out because you can't deny the 4th.

Belshir is just hard to secure a 4th in general and hate that map :D


BLADE HAS SPOKEN.
Im actualy not like a lot of zergs apparently. I greatly dislike derelict watcher because when I get a slow late game comp, the base layout is so clunky; there isnt really a direct path through bases that I like, and late game toss harass on that map is nightmare material.
Belshir I like because, I dont actualy know. I guess because the games are shorter and just the map layout appeals to me.
Akilon is a great map if they remove that horrid 4th location or add another entrance to either one of them. Seriously, sure its ok for it to be hard to kill a toss on 3 base, but when its impossible to break a 4 base toss because of chokes, thats just absurd.
Havent played any of the new maps. Looks like all tosses are going to enjoy that third in PvZ though. And to think that a terran can get such an easy 4th on a map, it gives me shudders. Especialy with this smaler (?) map.
Yeonsu looks like a solid map. Unlike other maps with islands, I like how its close to the main ground so you can slowly siege it up. Looks like games will be shorter on this map, easy 4th, harder third for zergs, but overall I can see why this map did so well in TLMC.
Frost looks like a very very solid map too. I have a feeling there may be the klontas mire effect where on close spawns the chokepoint would let cheeses get a bit out of control and those same passages would not be used for the rest of the game but I may be wrong. I'd like to see rocks on Yeonsu's island expos just cuz, and cross spawns on frost.


I'm with you on this one. I hate derelict watcher because I can't get to a fourth unless I go 5+queens creep centric to get creep on the high ground of either fourths.

I dislike Akilon because it favours Turtlefests way too much and I don' like siege mushrooms.Yeonsu seems suspicious to me (the choke behind the third reminds me a lot of taldarim and makes for a lot of potential exploits), but I left it for the sake of it. Polar night seems cool (mostly cause I win on it) but eventually should lead to a lot of turtlefests too. I have no strong feelings about Belshir. Frost I have yet to make my opinion on it.
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