The HotS Protoss Help Me Thread - Page 67

On April 24 2013 07:42 PsyStorm123 wrote:
How do you counter Mass Void Rays as Protoss?

On April 24 2013 10:28 ThaReckoning wrote:
Still having trouble with swarm host "all ins". Anybody got any vods of the zerg performing this correctly and losing? We're talking, zerg delays third and has swarmhosts attacking you by 10 minutes game time. The double robo colossus + warp prism harass everybody preaches just does not work, at all. The prism and warpins are wasted on spines, queens, and one burrowed SH back at base, and by the time you field enough colossi to get out, you get met by a cloud of mutas or corruptors. Has anyone really played against this and lived to tell the tale?

On April 24 2013 14:20 SteveNick wrote:
Even though voids technically beat corruptors, I don't think it's a wise idea to add them in. Better option is to get phoenix range and more phoenixes which will function a lot more fluidly and are much easier to micro than trying to manage phoenix/void together. You outrange corruptors with the phoenixes, and as the games goes on you add HTs which will heavily swing any big clash in your favour.

On April 24 2013 14:06 Ender2701 wrote:
Has there been any better consensus on how to deal with muta? I think mass stargate phoenix was decent for awhile but with the start of the corruptor-muta composition I've had a lot of trouble trying to use mass phoenix. Voidrays are too slow to catch the corruptor-muta flock and I end up slowly losing all my bases/probes.

On April 24 2013 14:04 FlyingBeer wrote:
More seriously, I'd take a look at what time your warp prism is arriving in his base. Your robo should be started around 5:30, and your attack should start around 8:00 for small harass or 9:00 for big 7-gate all-innish harass, well before the first swarm host finishes. If it's not at least throwing his build order off by forcing lots of lings then you're doing something wrong. The first colossus should be done well before 10:00 with a simple 4gate-robo-bay sort of play. If you're wondering why I'm not asking about your opening, it's because it doesn't matter unless you're doing lots of cannon harassment or getting attacked with lots of lings. Gate-core, 1gate-expand, FFE, and Nexus first should all have the first tech building out around 5:30 with a few exceptions where gate-core and 1gate-expands can get it slightly earlier.

On April 24 2013 14:59 FlyingBeer wrote:
Tech at 5:30 is the standard time for almost all builds. If you're not getting it at 5:30, then you must be doing some sort of gateway pressure. If you're not doing that, then your build is wrong. If you're not opening warp prism harass followed by colossus against 2-base play, then why did you describe that? In order for anybody to tell you how to proceed you have to describe what your build is up until 8:00 since there's no way to completely reorganize your build in only 2:00, and just ignore everything before 8:00.

On April 24 2013 15:08 FlyingBeer wrote:
And if you don't scout a zerg third, like in the case of the build you're asking about?

On April 24 2013 15:16 FlyingBeer wrote:
Well, that's your problem then. Your build plans on working based on scouting a third at 4:15. Since you don't know what a 2-basing player is going for until 8:00, that's 3:45 of game time where you're just building whatever with no plan. Some options are to just do the gateway pressure anyway (it works more often than you would think), tech straight into colossus (which should have 2 colossus out before 10:00), phoenix harass, warp prism harass (which I've already mentioned and does work), void production, or dts. If you're doing anything other than the gateway pressure, then you should be building your first tech building around 5:30.

EDIT: And all of those will allow you to defend that build by just using whatever tech you have available except for maybe the voids. The phoenix, DTs, warp prism, and gateway pressure will all delay his attack. The colossus will allow you to defend it.