EPTOn May 16 2013 22:22 hearters wrote:
how do i beat hellbat marauder medivac?
how do i beat hellbat marauder medivac?
Muta, or thousands of banes + lings + queens to snipe the medivacs.
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Insoleet
France1806 Posts
Muta, or thousands of banes + lings + queens to snipe the medivacs. | ||
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hearters
Singapore224 Posts
On May 16 2013 22:25 Insoleet wrote: Muta, or thousands of banes + lings + queens to snipe the medivacs. Thanks!! Will make more banes when I see it. Tend towards skipping muta towards hive these days. | ||
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Insoleet
France1806 Posts
On May 16 2013 23:21 hearters wrote: Thanks!! Will make more banes when I see it. Tend towards skipping muta towards hive these days. Well if you hold this, you can have a really strong counter attack if you did the double upgrade build with mutalisks. But it a tought build to hold anyway... Your engage must be clean, with banes focusing the hellbats and the lings attacking after, on the marauders. And then, shift click your queens on the medivacs. | ||
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DilemaH
Canada402 Posts
On May 16 2013 23:21 hearters wrote: Thanks!! Will make more banes when I see it. Tend towards skipping muta towards hive these days. Dont skip your lair tech AA. Eventualy, theyll gather up so many medivacs that zerglings wont do squat, and their drop potential will be so strong that when you get to hive, they have a superior macro lead. Even then, with so many medivacs, they may be able to transition into skyterran if theyre thorzain. | ||
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Henk
Netherlands578 Posts
What should I do to counter this? In one game, I scouted the evos going down, and after being owned the game before vs some other zerg I quickly threw 2 evos down myself, and got 1/1 - but he hit before my upgrades were done and I died anyway. Another question: vs bio-mine I put down my infestation pit and spire at the same time, get 10 mutas, and then go fast ultras. This works quite well, because I have ultras out before his widow mines overwhelm me. I tried to do this vs MMM+Hellbat, and I got crushed before ultras where out. vs MMMH, do I need to invest less in tech and more in pure ling/bling to crush his push, and then go up to ultras? I could upload a game in which I lost if it would help. Thanks! | ||
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BlasiuS
United States2405 Posts
I'm low/mid masters, trying to practice a super-standard macro ZvT style:
By far the strategy that I face the most, and have the most trouble with, is MMMM. How do I deal with mid-game and late-game muta/ling/bane vs MMMM? I'm having trouble engaging a terran army, I keep only killing most of the army, but then he floods in more Marines faster than I can re-make units and I eventually fall to massive army of 2-2 marines/medivacs/mines, despite keeping up in upgrades. Some specific questions:
I've read the Blade guide on Zerg v Terran on Liquipedia, and the Zerg HotS thread, but saw little on how to directly engage a MMMM army using muta/ling/bane in the mid-game, and I'm interested to know what I'm doing wrong. I can provide some reps of this style if requested. | ||
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wew
United States9 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On May 17 2013 04:23 BlasiuS wrote: I haven't read through the entire thread, and this has probably already been answered, but with HotS changing so fast, there may be new info on this: I'm low/mid masters, trying to practice a super-standard macro ZvT style:
By far the strategy that I face the most, and have the most trouble with, is MMMM. How do I deal with mid-game and late-game muta/ling/bane vs MMMM? I'm having trouble engaging a terran army, I keep only killing most of the army, but then he floods in more Marines faster than I can re-make units and I eventually fall to massive army of 2-2 marines/medivacs/mines, despite keeping up in upgrades. Some specific questions:
I've read the Blade guide on Zerg v Terran on Liquipedia, and the Zerg HotS thread, but saw little on how to directly engage a MMMM army using muta/ling/bane in the mid-game, and I'm interested to know what I'm doing wrong. I can provide some reps of this style if requested. Yeah my guide is missing the engaging a bio/mine army because it wasn't popular at the time when I wrote it. I did do a video on engaging bio/mine with muta/ling/bane located here: | ||
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SoulSC2
New Zealand12 Posts
On May 17 2013 07:00 wew wrote: What on earth do you do to counter mass widow mines? I have a flock of at least 30 mutas and I'm going to snipe a terrans 3rd yet he has around 8 widow mines on his expo... ~200 gas evaporates my 3000+ gas muta flock instantly with no effort. What do I do?!? This is a reason why mass muta is less common in ZvT now, widow mines deal with it so well. Try capping your mutas at 12-15 and using them defensively (I keep mine on my side of the map and use them to defend drops). Tech to hive faster and spend the rest of your gas on something more useful against mines, like ultras, infestors, and 3/3/adrenal. I've seen a much higher success rate against Terran this way. | ||
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KawaiiRice
United States2914 Posts
On May 17 2013 07:00 wew wrote: What on earth do you do to counter mass widow mines? I have a flock of at least 30 mutas and I'm going to snipe a terrans 3rd yet he has around 8 widow mines on his expo... ~200 gas evaporates my 3000+ gas muta flock instantly with no effort. What do I do?!? don't fly into mines? you can see the black holes... just fly around and kill everything else o_o if a T is leaving that many mines at their expos like that that's great for Z... | ||
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ManiacTheZealot
United States490 Posts
On May 17 2013 11:28 KawaiiRice wrote: don't fly into mines? you can see the black holes... just fly around and kill everything else o_o if a T is leaving that many mines at their expos like that that's great for Z... If you're running low graphics make sure you set effects to ultra so you can see them. You can keep everything else on low. | ||
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KawaiiRice
United States2914 Posts
On May 17 2013 13:06 ManiacTheZealot wrote: If you're running low graphics make sure you set effects to ultra so you can see them. You can keep everything else on low. I have them on low and i see a smoking black crator (crater?) where mines are oo | ||
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ManiacTheZealot
United States490 Posts
On May 17 2013 14:11 KawaiiRice wrote: I have them on low and i see a smoking black crator (crater?) where mines are oo I guess that only works for cloaking. I thought it helped mines too. Raising shaders from low to medium had a noticable effect though. | ||
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BigRedDog
461 Posts
On May 17 2013 14:23 ManiacTheZealot wrote: I guess that only works for cloaking. I thought it helped mines too. Raising shaders from low to medium had a noticable effect though. Sorry to be a pesk but can someone take a screenshot? I have no idea what you guys are talking about. I am running SC2 on my laptop (HD3000 chip) so everything is low  | ||
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ManiacTheZealot
United States490 Posts
On May 17 2013 16:27 BigRedDog wrote: Sorry to be a pesk but can someone take a screenshot? I have no idea what you guys are talking about. I am running SC2 on my laptop (HD3000 chip) so everything is low http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=412716 Scroll down to the 5th post for screen shots of the difference. The video gives some useful tips as well on other settings. | ||
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Wertheron
France439 Posts
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ekra
Spain52 Posts
I faced a situation on a ZvT that I'm not yet sure how to deal with. I open hatch, pool, gas and use my gas on ling speed and +1/+1 for my lings, then lair. I also make 3 queens for better creep spread. I think all that is pretty standard. The terran made hellions and killed some creep tumors and then buried a mine on my 3rd location. With no creep down to my 3rd and lair not done yet, I had to wait too much to take my 3rd and ended up losing the game because he got ahead economically. What should I do on this situation? - take a much difficult to deffend 3rd? (btw, the map was daybreak, that would be difficult to hold) - go for a 2/2 ling bane timing with a macro hatch on my main? | ||
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Veriol
Czech Republic502 Posts
On May 17 2013 19:45 ekra wrote: low masters here. I faced a situation on a ZvT that I'm not yet sure how to deal with. I open hatch, pool, gas and use my gas on ling speed and +1/+1 for my lings, then lair. I also make 3 queens for better creep spread. I think all that is pretty standard. The terran made hellions and killed some creep tumors and then buried a mine on my 3rd location. With no creep down to my 3rd and lair not done yet, I had to wait too much to take my 3rd and ended up losing the game because he got ahead economically. What should I do on this situation? - take a much difficult to deffend 3rd? (btw, the map was daybreak, that would be difficult to hold) - go for a 2/2 ling bane timing with a macro hatch on my main? Without replay its hard to say. But you should be securing the third by the 6:10-6:30 game time. Therey no way he has mines AT your third after helions. And if it actually happens you should already have creep there or 1-2 creep tumors maximum away. So no that big of a deal even tough id recommend macro hatch if this happens. On May 17 2013 19:14 Wertheron wrote: I really don't understand the new meta on ZvZ... Is there a good BO ? I'm still on muta but it seems really difficult now. Whats new meta in zvz? im high master EU and havent encountered anything but muta vs muta | ||
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DilemaH
Canada402 Posts
On May 17 2013 19:45 ekra wrote: low masters here. I faced a situation on a ZvT that I'm not yet sure how to deal with. I open hatch, pool, gas and use my gas on ling speed and +1/+1 for my lings, then lair. I also make 3 queens for better creep spread. I think all that is pretty standard. The terran made hellions and killed some creep tumors and then buried a mine on my 3rd location. With no creep down to my 3rd and lair not done yet, I had to wait too much to take my 3rd and ended up losing the game because he got ahead economically. What should I do on this situation? - take a much difficult to deffend 3rd? (btw, the map was daybreak, that would be difficult to hold) - go for a 2/2 ling bane timing with a macro hatch on my main? If that ever happens, a fancy trick is to build a hatch beside the mine, cancel it then make a spore crawler. Make sure you make the spore out of range of where you want to build your expo A bit gimmicky and expensive, so consider other options first. | ||
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Decendos
Germany1341 Posts
On May 17 2013 20:40 DilemaH wrote: If that ever happens, a fancy trick is to build a hatch beside the mine, cancel it then make a spore crawler. Make sure you make the spore out of range of where you want to build your expo A bit gimmicky and expensive, so consider other options first. wtf thats awesome :D | ||
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