The HotS Terran Help Me Thread - Page 146

On August 12 2013 07:02 TRaFFiC wrote:
Hey all

I just hit a problem timing with cc first build.

It's a 14 pool, 14 gas, followed by an expo. Speed finishes at 5:30. The attack is about 26 lings and hits when I only have 2 marines. It hits before the wall off (works great on Akilon). What to do?

On August 12 2013 07:07 Diderick wrote:


When you see such a early gas with your scv scout just get the walloff done, does not matter if you hugely overbuild depots. The other option is just to keep the cc in the main and wait for 4 or 6 hellions. You cannot defend this without a wal loff and with the cc in the natural.

On August 12 2013 07:45 Pursuit_ wrote:


I've started scouting after depot and going cc on the low ground on 2 player maps. The problem with high ground cc first is that a 6 pool with perfect targeting (first on barracks then on CC) will kill the cc before it finishes on a vast majority of maps. Thus with scout after depot, you can see if the lings are coming and build a barracks + depot to wall off on the main ramp and build your cc later on the high ground and be safe. Added benefit of the cc starting on the low ground (~1 scv worth of floating orbital time) and knowing your opponents gas timings (and thus what types of pressure can be coming, i.e. bling bust, roach ling ect) makes it worth it on 2 player maps imo.

On August 12 2013 07:54 KingofGods wrote:



I think Flash did this vs. Effort in Belshir and actually did save him from a drone pull 6 pool.

Flash did scv scout pretty early, I'm just unsure of exactly how early but he did see the zerglings coming well before putting down his cc (he still accidentally put it down on the high ground and cancelled it to put rax and supply depot)

On August 12 2013 07:45 Pursuit_ wrote:


I've started scouting after depot and going cc on the low ground on 2 player maps. The problem with high ground cc first is that a 6 pool with perfect targeting (first on barracks then on CC) will kill the cc before it finishes on a vast majority of maps. Thus with scout after depot, you can see if the lings are coming and build a barracks + depot to wall off on the main ramp and build your cc later on the high ground and be safe. Added benefit of the cc starting on the low ground (~1 scv worth of floating orbital time) and knowing your opponents gas timings (and thus what types of pressure can be coming, i.e. bling bust, roach ling ect) makes it worth it on 2 player maps imo.

On August 13 2013 00:40 eeChiama wrote:


Could somebody please elaborate on the advatages or differences between the 2 bunker placements?

On August 12 2013 22:45 Pirfiktshon wrote:
Ok man Low masters high diamond here I need some advice on playing in TvZ vs ultra play. I have been very good in the game up until i get to the point Ultras come out. I do so bad at trading against the ultra / infestor play that I had contained the zerg struggling to get a 3rd base and fought him to the death for the 4th I was close to maxed with 5 bases and heavy bank and 13 + rax just churning out units and trading efficiently until ultras....... I have been thinking about adding 2 facts when i see the switch and start pumping out Thors but then again its not that efficient... i'm just at a loss with late game zerg play on close 2 player maps.... On 4 player maps I just split the zerg forces snipe hatches and contain HARD but small maps my trading turns from +60% to -80% trading efficiency lol

On August 12 2013 07:41 KingofGods wrote:
Nobody scouts when going CC first?
Nobody supply depot walls?

I'm sorry, but both these statements are 100% incorrect. In fact, I would say the opposite is true. Replace the "Nobody" with "Everybody" and you have an almost 100% correct statement.

On August 12 2013 07:45 Pursuit_ wrote:


I've started scouting after depot and going cc on the low ground on 2 player maps. The problem with high ground cc first is that a 6 pool with perfect targeting (first on barracks then on CC) will kill the cc before it finishes on a vast majority of maps. Thus with scout after depot, you can see if the lings are coming and build a barracks + depot to wall off on the main ramp and build your cc later on the high ground and be safe. Added benefit of the cc starting on the low ground (~1 scv worth of floating orbital time) and knowing your opponents gas timings (and thus what types of pressure can be coming, i.e. bling bust, roach ling ect) makes it worth it on 2 player maps imo.

On August 13 2013 01:16 iAmJeffReY wrote:

Widow mines.

When ultras come to play, I add another factory for widow mines, and keep dropping. The higher the ultra count, and subsequent support infestors, the lack of lings. Keep doing multi prong drops, and use HEAVY widow mine counts and kite along your widow mines.

Obviously get marauder heavy, while still making marines. Big concaves. And abuse widow mines to the fullest. If infestors are out in the open, 4 marauders 1 shot. Stim, box, and bounce around.

Here's an example, if you want. Yes, I am diamond. However, I play 1.2k-1.6k masters. I was masters on placement, and then left league to try and get a new gimp division and got diamond. Now I'm 400pt dia playing mid high masters =(

http://drop.sc/353871 30 min TvZ vs ultra infestor with heavy mine use against 1200 masters zerg.
http://drop.sc/352042 vs a 1500 masters zerg on a friends name I was leveling.

http://www.twitch.tv/iamjeffrey_/b/434317068 1:07:20 another TvZ on D.Watcher where I'm SO far behind and just abuse widow mines and mutli prong drops against infestor/ultra/muta/ling.

The best part where the mine abuse is best is 1:26:15. 6 widow mines and bio takes out like 4-6 ultras, and ~25 mutas in a short burst volley.

Don't mind the opening. It's effective, and still very economic 3 OC...just more aggressive. It's a variation of byuns 2 rax 3 reaper at a time TvT build, with cut off gas into fast FE and factory for standard reaper/hellion.