EPTOn July 01 2013 02:08 Sprite825 wrote:
What match up, what army compositions do you have ?
What match up, what army compositions do you have ?
All matchups, mech composition
The HotS Terran Help Me Thread - Page 112
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jamella
Sweden33 Posts
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Sprite825
France57 Posts
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naked
United States39 Posts
Early game - afraid to move out and get overrun by lings Mid game - afraid to leave base undefended against mutalisk horde This obviously leads to the zerg expanding all over and remaxing to kill me. My drop harass with bio or hellbats has varying success. What should I focus on, learning some timing attacks (which?) or improving my drop efficacy (mostly mechanics issues)? Another way of asking the question: at what points in your TvZ game do you personally look to be aggressive? A separate question: if I'm going 4m and see him going roach hydra, should I mix in tanks, replace mines with tanks, or just keep on keepin' on? | ||
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PinheadXXXXXX
United States897 Posts
On July 01 2013 02:49 naked wrote: Diamond random, I play rather infrequently but for a while I've felt TvZ was my worst matchup. I feel paralyzed with fear the whole time. Early game - afraid to move out and get overrun by lings Mid game - afraid to leave base undefended against mutalisk horde This obviously leads to the zerg expanding all over and remaxing to kill me. My drop harass with bio or hellbats has varying success. What should I focus on, learning some timing attacks (which?) or improving my drop efficacy (mostly mechanics issues)? Another way of asking the question: at what points in your TvZ game do you personally look to be aggressive? A separate question: if I'm going 4m and see him going roach hydra, should I mix in tanks, replace mines with tanks, or just keep on keepin' on? To answer your first question, you should ideally start putting on some form of pressure as soon as you have some medivacs, so around ~12 minutes at the latest. If you start to pressure, lightly or strongly around then, he is forced to keep his mutas at home to defend or accept some kind of a bad base trade, and he can't build up that massive muta flock as he must spend his gas on banelings. You don't even really need to drop too much. Ideally, you just drop one side, push the other, or drop both sides and push through the middle. Even if you can't win a fight, just keep poking and it becomes difficult for him to harass with the mutas without one of the drops coming through, and therefore opening up a hole for you to move through. As long as you can take decent engagements and not lose too many medivacs, you can just keep hammering and slowly come out ahead. Tl;dr Just practice getting him out of position rather than trying to actually do damage with the drops themselves. Use the drops to make some space for your main army to move forward. Start doing this as soon as possible in the game and don't ever stop. | ||
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Sianos
580 Posts
I haven´t really encountered the 6+ gateway allins so far but i have been hit with serveral colossi stalker allins or charge lot high templar allins, which always somehow surprised me. Is there a standard timing when protoss should get their 3rd base the latest without beeing allin? I´m not really doing the 2 medivac pressure, because I don´t want to focus much on dropping right now but on my macro and straight up engagements more. I don´t really have problems in a normal macro game, but considering I would use the 2 medivac pressure to poke a bit, what tells are there that indicate 2 base allins? | ||
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Marathi
298 Posts
In TvT if they're dropping a lot (hellbats/bio) and you don't have dominant air control to stop the drops you need to be on your toes with your siege. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On July 01 2013 04:48 Sianos wrote: Hey, haven´t found the question in the op yet, but what is the best way to determine 2 base allins considering that your are doing the standard 1 rax fe into 3 rax starport? I haven´t really encountered the 6+ gateway allins so far but i have been hit with serveral colossi stalker allins or charge lot high templar allins, which always somehow surprised me. Is there a standard timing when protoss should get their 3rd base the latest without beeing allin? I´m not really doing the 2 medivac pressure, because I don´t want to focus much on dropping right now but on my macro and straight up engagements more. I don´t really have problems in a normal macro game, but considering I would use the 2 medivac pressure to poke a bit, what tells are there that indicate 2 base allins? Its the strength of Protoss, you cannot tell. They can delay their 3rd for HT/storm even. Easiest to tell allin would be no colossus archon/zealot 2-2 timing but everything that includes colossus can be a delayed third, normal third , 2 base allin or even cancelled third. Best bet is getting first two medivacs and pressure with them, leave one marine at their 3rd base while building your own 3rd , 2 more medivacs and more bio. You can drop 1 marine and stim through their base to gather information | ||
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DaveSprite
United States79 Posts
I'm having a lot of trouble holding a 7RR when I open cc rax gas. My scout usually walks in when the Warren is already mostly done or done and I'm still not quite sure how to best wall/defend the push. I've played a good 10 or so games with a friend and he's crushed me each time even as I'm adjusting between games simply because even if I'm repairing a bunker he just turns his attention to the depot, then if I have the repair, kills the 6-7 scvs trying to repair and go home, or continue busting. With constant marine production I can have 3-4 marines by the time he arrives and 1 widow mine maybe popping. TL;DR How do you best defend a 7RR after going CC rax gas? | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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Sianos
580 Posts
On July 01 2013 17:26 DaveSprite wrote: TVZ question here I'm having a lot of trouble holding a 7RR when I open cc rax gas. My scout usually walks in when the Warren is already mostly done or done and I'm still not quite sure how to best wall/defend the push. I've played a good 10 or so games with a friend and he's crushed me each time even as I'm adjusting between games simply because even if I'm repairing a bunker he just turns his attention to the depot, then if I have the repair, kills the 6-7 scvs trying to repair and go home, or continue busting. With constant marine production I can have 3-4 marines by the time he arrives and 1 widow mine maybe popping. TL;DR How do you best defend a 7RR after going CC rax gas? Are you talking about 1 base 7rr or a 2 base timing? | ||
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HanSomPa
United States87 Posts
On July 01 2013 19:23 Sianos wrote: Are you talking about 1 base 7rr or a 2 base timing? 1 Base allin. | ||
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BlackPanther
United States872 Posts
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Sianos
580 Posts
On July 01 2013 19:56 BlackPanther wrote: Any one know the best way to deflect Hellbat Drops TvT while doing a reaper expand? I was thinking hellion marauder (with concussive) viking. The crucial part in stopping hellbat drops is to kill the medivacs fast once they are in your base. Against one base hellbat drops, you can´t really take your natural, because you need to split up your units too thin and he can basically use the mobility of his medivacs to their fullest. So basically stay with your expansion on the high ground against 1 base and have your units in your mineral line with a turret or 2. When you expand and/or face hellbat drops after an expansion you can build 2 turrets behind each mineral line to kill the medivacs fast and use your units to clean up the hellbats. | ||
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Andtzen
Sweden2 Posts
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Requiem-
Uruguay162 Posts
i just saw byun do it but with 2 proxy raxes does anyone has it but more macro oriented? | ||
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awakenx
United States341 Posts
On July 02 2013 03:54 Requiem- wrote: How is the build that you get 4 gas and get stim +1 / +1 and medivacs? i just saw byun do it but with 2 proxy raxes does anyone has it but more macro oriented? For what matchup? TvZ? This might not exactly be the build but it still has the same idea, although it is a little outdated it shouldn't be drastically affected by HotS changes whatsoever, and it is still flexible enough to transition into bio/mine or marine/tank http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=267242 | ||
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Marathi
298 Posts
On July 02 2013 03:52 Andtzen wrote: Hey guys, I am about to return to playing after quite a long break. Last time I played was around the release of hots and thus I was wondering if there are any standard builds in each matchup yet. Having a clue of what works well would be golden as I am still very unsure about how to utilize/handle the new units. Skill level is (was) gold-platinumish. Most of the builds in the OP are still viable. TvP is mainly focused around reaper>reactor expand - army comp pretty much as it was in WoL, except you can use mines to defend your bases and hellbats vs zealot heavy compositions TvZ I think is still fast 3CC's (CC first>barracks>factory+hellions>3rd CC) - MMMM (4th M is mines) is most common in TvZ TvT Hellbat drops everywhere, or there is a mine/marine drop (which hits before hellbat drop) > cloakshees > marine/tank allin, or I guess you could expand but your mines should do enough damage to let you kill your opponent as they tunnel vision hellbats - mech has gotten really popular in TvT | ||
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Yusei
Canada27 Posts
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Marathi
298 Posts
On July 02 2013 06:47 Yusei wrote: After watching Coach Park getting cannon rushed in MLG, I was wondering what the proper response to a cannon rush is as Terran. I've never really had TOO much of an issue dealing with one, but I feel I could be more ahead than I end up. This is assuming I open with the reaper reactor expand into mine drops. It's quite situational as to how much they're commiting to the attack. But generally a well placed bunker will stop cannons from advancing any nearer to your mineral line. Depending on how many cannons he's made he's going to have little-nothing at home so you could push with a handful of marines and a couple of mines, if you can get your mines into his mineral line it's probably going to be a LONG time before he has any sort of detection, then use your marines to kill what few units he will have. | ||
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awakenx
United States341 Posts
On July 02 2013 06:47 Yusei wrote: After watching Coach Park getting cannon rushed in MLG, I was wondering what the proper response to a cannon rush is as Terran. I've never really had TOO much of an issue dealing with one, but I feel I could be more ahead than I end up. This is assuming I open with the reaper reactor expand into mine drops. Think like a terran. You can probably try to float to a different base if things are looking ugly while reapers ravage their mineral line. It's especially funny on Neo Planet when you just float to the gold base. | ||
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