I have found that 5 rax 1 starport seems to be the best amount of structure until they tech to air so far, still trying to balance the proper mix of units and find out when I need to change things up. I do like to add a few widow mines though.

legend4411

Canada21 Posts

February 24 2013 04:01 GMT

#66

Mario Could you upload some replays with the hellbats research? Thanks

HTOMario

United States439 Posts

March 02 2013 03:52 GMT

#67

On February 24 2013 13:01 legend4411 wrote:
Mario Could you upload some replays with the hellbats research? Thanks

Sorry I didn't see your response until now. It's a bit late to upload replays however I do have this.

These are all after the most recent patch.

PXEnTei

United States209 Posts

March 02 2013 05:02 GMT

#68

Ive also been playing mech vs toss, but it would be nice to have non allin openers. ive just been 1-1-1 off 2 base, get up more base, then more gas, then upgrades then buildings, then units, then kill him

Yokwe

United States35 Posts

March 02 2013 08:43 GMT

#69

Thanks for this detailed post Mario, helped me a lot.

ALSO: I would appreciate someone experimenting with bio-mech in HotS. Standard Bio with maybe hellbats, thors, siege tanks, or widow mines mixed in?

HTOMario

United States439 Posts

March 02 2013 16:22 GMT

#70

On March 02 2013 17:43 Yokwe wrote:
Thanks for this detailed post Mario, helped me a lot.

ALSO: I would appreciate someone experimenting with bio-mech in HotS. Standard Bio with maybe hellbats, thors, siege tanks, or widow mines mixed in?

I forgot which vod on my stream but there is at least 1 game where I go marauder hellbat ghost viking medivac and it works very efficiently.

StratFive

Canada19 Posts

March 03 2013 05:54 GMT

#71

On March 03 2013 01:22 HTOMario wrote:

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I forgot which vod on my stream but there is at least 1 game where I go marauder hellbat ghost viking medivac and it works very efficiently.

I assume it's this game, very entertaining play Mario :D

Husky

larse

1611 Posts

March 03 2013 07:49 GMT

#72

Long time big fan here. I really hope some pros will pick up your builds and use them in tournaments. But I think most likely they will play the TvP just like WoL, except some Kespa pros how have been obsessed with mech.

HTOMario

United States439 Posts

March 03 2013 15:51 GMT

#73

On March 03 2013 14:54 StratFive wrote:

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I assume it's this game, very entertaining play Mario :D

Husky
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1IDe-Dkukc

HD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njmBu5omgX8

Yeah that's the one ^^ Kind of neat they both casted it.

HTOMario

United States439 Posts

March 23 2013 03:18 GMT

#74

Update:! I've updated the guide on 3/22/2013 for heart of the swarm mech. Please take a look over the new information and provide lots of feedback / discussion!

intense555

United States474 Posts

March 23 2013 03:59 GMT

#75

Nice to see mech working against protoss, now its time to figure it out v zerg.

ThisisRaider

Namibia153 Posts

March 23 2013 06:04 GMT

#76

I will watch some of these. Great work, mech resources are not plenty. I have to wing opening build orders and transitions.

Candyman

Sweden5 Posts

March 23 2013 12:55 GMT

#77

I really appreciate you taking the time to write this buide.

JonIrenicus

Italy602 Posts

March 23 2013 13:55 GMT

#78

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Qikz

United Kingdom12047 Posts

March 23 2013 14:40 GMT

#79

I mean, with Bio you can outplay them a lot. With mech, what do you do ?

You do realise you can outplay someone as mech too right? I'm not talking about just Mario's style, but there's plenty of tank based styles along with timing pushes that work vs toss and even going against Skytoss mech can actually win, sure you have to switch into skyterran to do it, but you still open/have a midgame of mech.

You can even do doom drop styles as mech, especially on maps where the bases are not completely on top of each other. If you can manage to drop and control their ramp with hellbats/mines while your tanks shell them/their production then you can win the game that way.

I'm really unsure if you're genuinly interested in mech or just bashing his post with points that so many people have made in the past (which most, as the beta have gone on have shown untrue). Tanks do not suck in TvP, they only really suck against immortals and archons which you get tanks/hellbats to deal with, or even thors depending on what style you're going for. You're making such blanket statements when to me it seems you've never even tried to learn the style here or your own mech style.

Mech works, sure no pros have shown it outside of the KoTH matches in the beta, but people are not instantly going to change a style they've been playing for 3 years already for a style they've barely practiced.

HTOMario

United States439 Posts

March 23 2013 14:46 GMT

#80

On March 23 2013 22:55 JonIrenicus wrote:
Hi HtoMario,

I don't want to sound polemic.

Why should I choose mech over Bio?

In the first videos I saw you were using the thor/hellbat composition, finding it very good, but that's not a mech composition. Mech should be centered around a tank army.

Tank, sadly, in sc2, sucks.
I saw that in the last replays you are more likely to add tanks , but still I would not make tanks , even if I was a fool.

I saw you are in Gm , and playing against protoss that don't even use air. Protoss haven't still understood that all they gotta do is mass a huge amount of sky ships and the game for the meching T is practically useless. I saw lot of your games, and people keep playing against your mech like if it was bio.

Well, would you call hellbat a meching unit? All they gotta add is just stim , so this will be definitely a 100% meching unit (irony).

Another thing I would dare to say: the fact that your opponents are so bad (people making stalkers against your "mech" composition), makes me dare to say that you are gm not because mech is that strong (even if you seem likely to have practiced a lot with it and like it a lot), but because people don't know how to counter "mech", together with your extremely good decision making.

I would dare to say that if you used bio, your results would be even better.

I mean, with Bio you can outplay them a lot. With mech, what do you do ? You just get a critical mass of units. Even Iechoic said that the fact that you gotta switch the composition is a weak point. It's the reason why mech will never work.

Check out the other videos, I use tanks as the backbone as my often more often then not. I have plenty of protoss that try to go air i just haven't uploaded any. They're usually incredibly hard countered I have no issues so far facing sky toss at all.

I define mech as anything out of the factory, but as I stated I do throw in mass tanks in most of my builds.

You can outplay people a lot with with mech just the same as bio, stalkers aren't actually that bad against mech since you can force base races and pick off units on the retreat easily. The best thing you can do is abuse a mech terran and stalkers do this.

On March 23 2013 23:40 Qikz wrote:

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I'm really unsure if you're genuinly interested in mech or just bashing his post with points that so many people have made in the past (which most, as the beta have gone on have shown untrue). Tanks do not suck in TvP, they only really suck against immortals and archons which you get tanks/hellbats to deal with, or even thors depending on what style you're going for. You're making such blanket statements when to me it seems you've never even tried to learn the style here or your own mech style.
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I felt the same way