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On October 26 2012 23:22 Teoita wrote:


Other than bulldogging it (not sure if this works vs gm's but i've beaten monk with it so eh), i think a 1gate fe -> some sort of robo/3gate into forge/twilight council opening would do very well vs this kind of stuff. I never was a fan of colossi vs mech, and the ability to get charge, blink, archons and immortals vs the push should do extremely well.

That said yeah mech stuff is so unexplored, it's kinda hard to say. More than anything, it would come down to positioning. Getting a reactionary warp prism to flank with 2 immortals and a round of warped in zealots would also be really strong for instance.

On October 27 2012 00:53 Nightmarjoo wrote:
1rax cc gasgas opening can autolose to some all-ins; so I don't recommend using this in every ladder game, cuz you'll just lose sometimes and not be able to stop it. For example if they do a 4gate warp prism attack in your main without making the chronos obvious (so to your first scv scout it will just look like a 1gate nexus) you won't have the units to stop it, no matter how many bunkers you make. The build is sensitive to immortal all-ins as well, especially if they use a pylon and observer to warp zlots into your main while pressuring your bunkers with the immortals. Just because the builds aren't optimal (because they're not making them obvious to you by showing chronos on warpgate or 2gas for immortal, etc) doesn't mean they aren't effective.

Your all-in defense comes from them not being able to know that you're going 1rax cc gasgas instead of 1rax cc raxrax, so most of the time you will be safe because they shouldn't choose all-ins which will work against your build since they shouldn't work vs normal play, and they can't know you aren't playing normally. Unless they know you're meching before game (custom game vs a friend or whatever), and then they can just kill you. It's safer to open with a gas build.

The cloaked banshee will stop 6gate all-ins. You may however be vulnerable to a 4gate after nexus, so just scout well for pylons and activity on the map.

I'm interested in how you adapt vs tech builds (2gas). The build as it is with no adaptations will of course lose to things like blink all-in and dt. Hell, your build doesn't mention an ebay, and your raven comes out too late just to stop dt after nexus (which would just show your scout 1gas, and make 2nd gas after you leave; and then a second scout would see nexus).

On 2base you cannot possibly support constant production of 4tanks and 1banshee. You can either not quite afford constant production of 3tanks, or you can afford constant production of 2tanks and 1banshee (with a little left over for upgrades). So there's no point in wasting gas on those extra factories, or at least in making techlabs on them. Increased hellion production will let you scout and harass better, so that will help. When korean terrans mech they usually open with 1 techlab and 2 reactors. If you have an adequate hellion count you won't need to "scan ahead".

Tank/hellion oriented builds have no lategame, so even if your push isn't an all-in, it might as well be. Voidrays won't be able to kill you outright, but they will delay your push assuming they haven't neglected their ground army. This lets them stall for mothership and/or carriers which can kill you. You can defend initially with thors and turrets, but as the game progresses and his carrier count increases you'll no longer be able to defend. And, having not expo'd quickly, having dumped a lot of gas into tanks and upgrades, and then the rest of your gas into survival-thors, you can't afford the bcs and/or ravens necessary to actually beat the carriers.

With other styles of mech I've found heavy immortal/archon/zlot compositions to be quite strong, but your style may very well not have trouble with them. Have you experienced something like that before?

On October 26 2012 22:54 Methy wrote:



As I said above, play it like Broodwar. If you're unfamiliar with Broodwar then play it out like this:
(Ideal strategy - you know mech is coming before the game starts)
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On October 27 2012 03:15 Drowsy wrote:


You'll never get to know before 6 minutes if he's meching, but assuming you do a standard 1 gate fe->3gate robo build, you should know what's up by 7:30-8:00, in which case you can cancel/not start your robo bay, do a partial wall on natural with pylons/gates. From there, you would start twilight and 1 forge and get charge+blink and keep up constant immortal+gateway unit production and maybe even take guys off gas at your nat to get a 3rd started fairly early. You'd only want to add in colossi in late/midgame if he's going extremely heavy on the hellions, but obv first you want to have a big base of chargelots, blink stalkers, and immortals.

On October 29 2012 23:45 blublub wrote:
I try to play only with this build and it is ok. But I find really weak vs warp prism play, early dt's or dt's with warpprism. Even after Nexus. Upon scouting it protoss can go just straight tech knowing that you wont attack him until you have enough units. And the constant warp prism/dt harrass delays this final push a lot. I usually lost when got harrased like that because protoss was able to establish his 3rd and get zelot charge. Often the warprism is used later in fights droping zelots onto tanks and warping next waves close to tanks. I feel like 1 early viking is a must and getting another later. But don't know how to squeez
them when I have to make 2 cloacked banshes and a raven ASAP or then i have no map awareness or detection.