EPTI would like to hear more discussion on Zerg walls, especially in HotS.
Mods, please rename this thread to "[G] Zerg Wall-ins". Thank you.
Edit: Either that or "[G,D] Zerg Wall-ins", whichever you find is more suitable.
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porygon361
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I would like to hear more discussion on Zerg walls, especially in HotS. Mods, please rename this thread to "[G] Zerg Wall-ins". Thank you. Edit: Either that or "[G,D] Zerg Wall-ins", whichever you find is more suitable. | ||
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
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Orek
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TheGreenMachine
United States730 Posts
Also useful in zvz sim citying vs bling attacks. Oh if u want WOL zerg walls look at massan and snute. Massan always walls off his natural in every matchup if theres another opening. This is with roach warren+2 evos. This prevents a lot of harassment midgame. Also snute uses 2 evos and roach warren no gas opening zvz. Its good! wall blings out./ | ||
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porygon361
81 Posts
On October 27 2012 13:01 TheGreenMachine wrote: So this HOTS change helps defend hellions better zvt right? 2 queen and a spine will block a bigger choke. Also useful in zvz sim citying vs bling attacks. Oh if u want WOL zerg walls look at massan and snute. Massan always walls off his natural in every matchup if theres another opening. This is with roach warren+2 evos. This prevents a lot of harassment midgame. Also snute uses 2 evos and roach warren no gas opening zvz. Its good! wall blings out./ Thanks for the tip. I'll be sure to watch their streams more often  | ||
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porygon361
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NovemberstOrm
Canada16217 Posts
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porygon361
81 Posts
On October 27 2012 17:24 NovemberstOrm wrote: The spine update is good in my opinion it removes the "luck" element if a terran decides to run by the spine crawler/queens to get drones with hellions and in ZvZ it will remove most of the early-game volatility. I completely agree with your last point, only that it isn't luck that allows Terran to run past all Zerg defenses. Its the fact that many Zergs don't wall in the first place. But the Terran does need a certain degree of skill and some "luck" to a certain extent to make his hellion raid cost-effective. So... Now Zerg has complete wall-ins that can be opened like a supply depot... Blizzard, its Protoss' turn. | ||
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Orek
1665 Posts
I've been paying attention to this thread that I criticized the quality of earlier. It's so much better now. Thank you for your effort.Just one thing I noticed: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Sb078.png) On the right side, space between Evo and Spine is actually zergling-tight and the arrow should be removed from the image. Only between Hatchery and Spine can units get through. Otherwise, it contradicts your earlier zergling-tight example version 1: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/PtC4i.png) Please keep up your good work. | ||
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Ethoex
United States164 Posts
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Wilshire093
United States31 Posts
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porygon361
81 Posts
On October 29 2012 22:57 Orek wrote: It's nice to see you update the content. I believe you've been waiting for someone to notice. I know how that feels when I ninja update as an OP myself I've been paying attention to this thread that I criticized the quality of earlier. It's so much better now. Thank you for your effort.Just one thing I noticed: + Show Spoiler + On the right side, space between Evo and Spine is actually zergling-tight and the arrow should be removed from the image. Only between Hatchery and Spine can units get through. Otherwise, it contradicts your earlier zergling-tight example version 1: + Show Spoiler + Please keep up your good work. Damn, I shouldn't have drawn that arrow there, will make the amendments soon. Thanks for the encouragement On October 29 2012 23:31 Wilshire093 wrote: Saw a streamer leave a little hole in his wall and plug it with queens, thought that was pretty smart. Hm... I will consider adding this to the list of walls. However, the queens are not the most supply efficient wall throughout the game, although queens are great for temporary defense before you get your wall set up. Also, I think I should have made this thread a long, long time ago. HotS is coming out soon, and if the Spine crawler change ships out the way it is in the beta, a lot of information here would become irrelevant. However, I am making this thread mostly to tell uninformed people about Zerg walls and how he can use it to defend against certain attacks well into the lategame. When Blizzard changed the Spine crawler, many Zergs are bound to be attracted to the walling quality of the Spine crawler now, so mission accomplished! As for the guides on the walls I made here, MOST are still relevant, although now it is easier to make a Spine crawler wall: arrange them in a line. P.S You know... Its a bit weird that Blizzard announced the Spine crawler change 4 days after my OP was released... Coincidence? | ||
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Orek
1665 Posts
On October 30 2012 00:09 porygon361 wrote: + Show Spoiler + On October 29 2012 22:57 Orek wrote: It's nice to see you update the content. I believe you've been waiting for someone to notice. I know how that feels when I ninja update as an OP myself I've been paying attention to this thread that I criticized the quality of earlier. It's so much better now. Thank you for your effort.Just one thing I noticed: + Show Spoiler + On the right side, space between Evo and Spine is actually zergling-tight and the arrow should be removed from the image. Only between Hatchery and Spine can units get through. Otherwise, it contradicts your earlier zergling-tight example version 1: + Show Spoiler + Please keep up your good work. Damn, I shouldn't have drawn that arrow there, will make the amendments soon. Thanks for the encouragement On October 29 2012 23:31 Wilshire093 wrote: Saw a streamer leave a little hole in his wall and plug it with queens, thought that was pretty smart. Hm... I will consider adding this to the list of walls. However, the queens are not the most supply efficient wall throughout the game, although queens are great for temporary defense before you get your wall set up. Also, I think I should have made this thread a long, long time ago. HotS is coming out soon, and if the Spine crawler change ships out the way it is in the beta, a lot of information here would become irrelevant. However, I am making this thread mostly to tell uninformed people about Zerg walls and how he can use it to defend against certain attacks well into the lategame. When Blizzard changed the Spine crawler, many Zergs are bound to be attracted to the walling quality of the Spine crawler now, so mission accomplished! As for the guides on the walls I made here, MOST are still relevant, although now it is easier to make a Spine crawler wall: arrange them in a line. P.S You know... Its a bit weird that Blizzard announced the Spine crawler change 4 days after my OP was released... Coincidence? Dat timing when you post this thread....so unlucky of you. However, HotS wall is only going to be easier, so any WoL wall should work anyways. As you said, content today will stay relevant in future. You will need to update once HotS come out though. I wonder how TL handles thread category when HotS and WoL threads coexist for a while. | ||
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