[L][D] Terran Mech: Resources - Page 27

On November 26 2012 09:59 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Anyone know where Day9 got those replays of Liquid Sea meching TvP?

there's also a game of Genius vs Liquid Sea in EG MC set 2 (cloud kingdom) in TL vs SlayerS, the VOD isn't up yet though it's saved on the twitch stream

On November 28 2012 13:35 Nightmarjoo wrote:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/95739471/lyrareps11272012.zip
101 reps, ~1% are bio, 2 are losses.

On November 29 2012 07:13 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Ok, I'll include losses next time.

I don't usually do that because I feel like many of my losses are the product of being inactive and so I feel like they don't represent my skill or weaknesses in my play style. Some losses I feel are "genuine", where I lost because my opponent outplayed me mechanically or strategically, but those I address immediately by studying them and learning what I did wrong, so as to avoid such a fate should the scenario occur again. I hesitate to release those losses because people may incorrectly conclude that they are evidence of flaws in the style rather than flaws in my skill/decisions in that specific game.

Losses can educate how I use my style, but don't reflect inherent weaknesses in the style. All scenario-specific vulnerabilities can be covered up with proper scouting and adaptation. So if I lose, it's that I, the player Lyra, lost to my opponent, not that my underlying play-style failed. It's that interpretation that makes me not want to upload losses.

On November 29 2012 07:13 Nightmarjoo wrote:
Ok, I'll include losses next time.

I don't usually do that because I feel like many of my losses are the product of being inactive and so I feel like they don't represent my skill or weaknesses in my play style. Some losses I feel are "genuine", where I lost because my opponent outplayed me mechanically or strategically, but those I address immediately by studying them and learning what I did wrong, so as to avoid such a fate should the scenario occur again. I hesitate to release those losses because people may incorrectly conclude that they are evidence of flaws in the style rather than flaws in my skill/decisions in that specific game.

Losses can educate how I use my style, but don't reflect inherent weaknesses in the style. All scenario-specific vulnerabilities can be covered up with proper scouting and adaptation. So if I lose, it's that I, the player Lyra, lost to my opponent, not that my underlying play-style failed. It's that interpretation that makes me not want to upload losses.

On November 30 2012 12:37 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
I agree with what Nightmarjoo is saying, basically releasing only replays where he wins (for you to copy/study) is one step ahead of releasing games including losses. If the reasoning is that you should include losses so people can see the mistakes or weaknesses, you can also argue that, like he said, you can fix those mistakes in a future game in which you upload.

The only downside to this way is if you fail to notice/interpret the reason for a player doing something in a game where they win. But you can also fail to come up with the "best" solution when you study games where someone loses.




Ooh thanks! This will be much better than searching for mech games in his stream, which may or may not be good games. Last time I looked through a 4 hour streaming session, and literally only found 1 protoss... who died from a marine/hellion drop opener <_>

Ah, seems like this is where Day9 got his replays then.