Why exactly do you need speed? I feel like adding more sentries/stalkers would be useful, and that the speed isn't completely essential to harass until stim/vikings come, which would be around the time you'd attack anyway.

MoreSore

Ireland73 Posts

June 14 2012 10:44 GMT

#23

Looks like a cool build, can't wait to check out the replays and try it out.

Birthday Happy AdonMinus !!!

Havik_

United States5585 Posts

June 27 2012 01:49 GMT

#24

This is the style of play I like to see. Good thread.

Tombomb

United States52 Posts

June 27 2012 02:33 GMT

#25

Good stuff adonminus. Thank you for taking the time to put this together!

I remember going nuts over Liquid'Hero doing this in a few games back when he won Dreamhack and started to get some attention. I've been using a variant off of a Protoss 1gate FE. Less opportunity to do crippling damage/end the game. It mostly focuses on harassing worker lines while building up a solid army.

If you want to check it out, I've linked a replay. I promise I'm not trying to steal your thunder, I can assure you my play is a good deal weaker than yours is and the replay probably makes me look like shit haha.

Thanks again for the write up! Definitely planning on giving it a swing myself!
http://drop.sc/208762

Picklebread

808 Posts

June 27 2012 03:15 GMT

#26

As a terran i actually hate this build, its pretty good.

Fortis-Et-Fidus

United States119 Posts

June 27 2012 03:18 GMT

#27

idk about the late scout, i just marine scv all ined first time trying it and i think you can sacrifice that 40 min per minute for a probe scout after core. unless the BO is absolutely too crisp for a early scout

MasterAri

Brazil2 Posts

July 04 2012 03:05 GMT

#28

Great build! I began training it today. Can't wait to use it for real

IOwraith

United States4 Posts

July 04 2012 04:51 GMT

#29

What are the bonuses to 1 base collusus vs. an expand build. I feel that a lot of expand builds are able to hold these pushes whats is the general win rate of something like this in the higher levels.

myRZeth

Germany1047 Posts

July 04 2012 06:25 GMT

#30

really good guide, i hope you ll add more qualitative replays

United States121 Posts

July 04 2012 06:38 GMT

#31

Any success vs. marine scv all in? The late scout will certainly hurt in scouting the all-in, and a fast robo won't be of any help.

It'd be awesome if you posted a replay of holding all-ins like 1/1/1 and marine scv. Or is it that those all-ins are direct counters?

TylerThaCreator

United States906 Posts

July 04 2012 07:02 GMT

#32

vs early aggression with hellions or marine-scv allin you'll have an extremely tough time. not quite sure what to do vs that yet. Here are some sample games though where I had success with the build (at high masters NA):
http://drop.sc/213807
http://drop.sc/209609

0Toph

Canada8 Posts

July 04 2012 10:29 GMT

#33

This build works great P v P and is my new go to strategy when I see a 4gate or early expo (I work on getting an expo during my pokes at his)

But I have run into situation when people are using this exact build to counter itself. I am wondering that kind of transition would be the best move, i have been going charge zealot and having some mediocre success. Thanks again!

And hbd

BronzeKnee

United States5226 Posts

July 04 2012 15:03 GMT

#34

Could you explain why you think a Protoss pressure build has no fear of being scouted?

myRZeth

Germany1047 Posts

July 04 2012 15:59 GMT

#35

which maps do you recommend using this?

TheRealFluid

United States501 Posts

July 05 2012 05:22 GMT

#36

On July 05 2012 00:03 BronzeKnee wrote:
Could you explain why you think a Protoss pressure build has no fear of being scouted?

Well firstly, the purpose of scouting is to find out what you're opponent is doing and reacting accordingly.

With that in mind, when the terran scouts that you went robo before stalker he could assume that you're doing a very greedy tech build or a one base timing. And even with that knowledge, how is the terran supposed to react perfectly, you could be doing a variety of things.

slimcognito2012

United States29 Posts

July 05 2012 06:25 GMT

#37

What happens if he snipes the colossus/ WP when it's out in midmap? You'd end up significantly far behind and with the failed allin-ish build, decent decision making could close out the game, in the terran's favor.

twoscomp

United States42 Posts

July 05 2012 07:09 GMT

#38

After watching the replays, this seems very promising. Will try it out and and report back. Happy Birthday! Fantastic

TheEmulator

28103 Posts

July 05 2012 07:34 GMT

#39

I just used this for the first time and it worked perfectly. Protoss is my offrace( main T), but with fun builds like these I would consider a full switch.

WarBobz

68 Posts

July 05 2012 09:16 GMT

#40

First off, Adonminus, Happy birthday.
Second, you're lazy o.o ♥

I'm abit lazy to put an image here but you know how to do it, no need image.

Third off, what if he goes for some marauder-heavy FE oriented build? Or, if you delay the initial pressure, but you get another warp-in of units down the low ground and you go for a 2-prong attack? The low ground goes to his natural, your brolossus army goes to his main.