[G] Leenock's ZvP All-In: 10 Roach Rush - Page 9

On April 21 2012 22:38 reqmoreminerals wrote:
That was uncalled for.

But to be honest. This build doesnt sit well with me. I find almost all roach rushes a coin toss.

A cannon or a bunker will cost you the game,

On April 25 2012 22:29 How2getMaster wrote:
Unstoppable on Ohana. The rocks make it extremely difficult to fend off. Even with scouting.

On April 26 2012 03:53 SolidSMD wrote:
I dunno why but your guide's always seem to be about easy allin's that the common diamond league player could just learn from watching 1 vod of in this case naniwa vs leenock. For a 'grandmaster' player, your strategies lack depth imo. Especially since you explain this with so much details (i'm baffled you can write this much about a 7minute game/opening) which makes us believe that you are writing this down for lower league players (because 90% of your details are trivial to diamonds/masters), while this is a strategy designed to punish greedy toss-openings (aka higher tier protosses). So this whole guide doesn't make too much sence. Perhaps you're focusing more on making cheap selfpromotion?

On April 25 2012 22:29 How2getMaster wrote:
Unstoppable on Ohana. The rocks make it extremely difficult to fend off. Even with scouting.

Greetings.

On May 21 2012 04:57 Cirqueenflex wrote:
i just tried this build on ladder, and my opponent used his first zealot for scouting :/ got crushed by a high number of cannons + sentries of course -.-

On May 22 2012 03:41 godsend1 wrote:
I've done this a few times on ladder, just feels like (in high diamond/sometimes play masters) that as soon as prot sees the gas they just throw down 3 cannons and chrono sentries. After that it's pretty hard to kill them.

On May 23 2012 09:59 TangSC wrote:

I don't think scouting gas alone is enough reason to build 3 cannons and chronoboost sentries - are you sure they're not scouting your roaches as they move out?

On May 23 2012 11:35 oOOoOphidian wrote:

a gas pool opening almost always sends off alarms to protoss players. have you actually played games with this build lately?
it's very common to see people drop multiple cannons after seeing a gas, because they know they are ahead even if you decide to take a third from there.

On May 23 2012 22:19 TangSC wrote:

I really don't think it's as common as you say, perhaps you could provide links to professional players who drop 3+ cannons in response to gas-first? In my experience, it's not common at all to drop multiple cannons after seeing gas. In fact, I use a variety of gas-first builds against protoss that do not involve an early bust. Blindly building 3 cannons and chrono-boosting sentries is an incorrect response and will result in a build-order loss against openings like this:
http://drop.sc/185172

On May 23 2012 23:01 oOOoOphidian wrote:

I'm aware that it's bad against stuff like zenio's hydra opener or even 2 base muta, but it's exactly what naniwa does every time he sees an early gas and tons of people copy that on ladder. I've even had people do it when the gas I made was actually just for a random extractor trick.

On May 23 2012 23:11 TangSC wrote:

I've never seen Naniwa do it :S it's bad against a lot more than those 2 builds. I just think it's a mistake, they should chronoboost 2 zealots and respond based on the information they gather. If they scout speedlings, then yes definitely put down an extra cannon or two and chronoboost your first sentry. An early gas geyser alone is not enough information.

On May 23 2012 23:22 oOOoOphidian wrote:

seeing gas that early is essentially the same as seeing speedlings. which is what they will see when playing against every all-in like this. I forgot to mention I like to do a variation of this in reaction to people who over-commit to cannon rushing and I saw spanishiwa do it as well, you really don't need the speedlings anyway especially now that you can deny all scouting with the new range queens. The roaches are enough to cripple someone and you can just drone behind it with 2-3 hatches. When I do that I usually get gas a lot later which makes it much harder to scout.