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[G] PvZ – FFE into 4 Gate +1 Zealot Pressure - Page 3

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iMpOsEr
Profile Joined March 2011
Bosnia-Herzegovina15 Posts
February 08 2012 21:30 GMT
#41
Great guide, thanks a lot ! Thumbs up !!!
Willing 2 learn !
RRDjhonn
Profile Joined January 2012
34 Posts
February 08 2012 22:15 GMT
#42
ffe and yuffe are both strong eco op , at the end each one choose by personal judgment, with ffe you get earlier canon rush and with Yuffe you get earlier units.
xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
February 08 2012 22:26 GMT
#43
iv been reading tones of time " [G] PvZ HerOic FFE " and is still hard to understand is not very clear when to add gates and when to build zealots . im sorry but this is the best guide for ffe into 4gate +1 timing . !
1/4 \pi \epsilon_0
Alejandrisha
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States6566 Posts
February 08 2012 22:49 GMT
#44
On February 09 2012 07:26 xsnac wrote:
iv been reading tones of time " [G] PvZ HerOic FFE " and is still hard to understand is not very clear when to add gates and when to build zealots . im sorry but this is the best guide for ffe into 4gate +1 timing . !

you'd think the 10 replays in the op would have been able to clear that up. weird
get rich or die mining
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CaptainHaz
Profile Joined December 2010
United States240 Posts
February 08 2012 23:48 GMT
#45
On February 09 2012 07:49 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 07:26 xsnac wrote:
iv been reading tones of time " [G] PvZ HerOic FFE " and is still hard to understand is not very clear when to add gates and when to build zealots . im sorry but this is the best guide for ffe into 4gate +1 timing . !

you'd think the 10 replays in the op would have been able to clear that up. weird

Well it's not like YOU had a full blown STREAM TUTORIAL in your guide. Also the pictures in this one were prettier, maybe if you stopped spending all of your money on hats that you keep sending monk then maybe you could upgrade to a better PC and make better guides Mr low graphics settings.

The more nicer the pictures in a guide the better it ends up being.

Pretty picture make brain hurt less.

Grunt.



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vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 08 2012 23:54 GMT
#46
On February 09 2012 07:49 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 07:26 xsnac wrote:
iv been reading tones of time " [G] PvZ HerOic FFE " and is still hard to understand is not very clear when to add gates and when to build zealots . im sorry but this is the best guide for ffe into 4gate +1 timing . !

you'd think the 10 replays in the op would have been able to clear that up. weird


LOL you think the average player watches the replays? They are looking for a thing to cut and paste into a build order overlay or to tape to their monitor. The see replays as proof that it works and don't even check them.

Forgive my tone for I am not joking. I say this from experience coaching people for money. They will show me a thread about the build they are doing and then show me a replay of them doing ti and they just have obv never seen a pro level player doing said build. I would see things reactor hellion builds that had no wall off or a banshee rush taht made the bunker in the natural on map like xel naga. The other classic is people doing the build order to the T and then just attacking with everything as soon as the build order ends.

I hope some people that are doing just that read my post and understand how much they are wasting thier time basically practicing a build WRONG when they JUST copy the 'build order.' I would say that was in the top 5 problems I saw in players that were actively trying to better themselves. Copying a BO from a guide without EVER seeing a vod or replay of it in action.
AGIANTSMURF
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 00:10:20
February 09 2012 00:04 GMT
#47
On February 09 2012 07:49 Alejandrisha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 07:26 xsnac wrote:
iv been reading tones of time " [G] PvZ HerOic FFE " and is still hard to understand is not very clear when to add gates and when to build zealots . im sorry but this is the best guide for ffe into 4gate +1 timing . !

you'd think the 10 replays in the op would have been able to clear that up. weird



I think the main thing here is that your guide goes over the openings as far as which style of FE to use in detail and in TEXT for people to read, you then skip over just about everything from ~40 supply - ~80 supply

and you go straight into the general concepts and styles a player should be aiming for in the mid - late game

your guide relies on the replays to cover the mid-sections and actual timings of when to build certain tech/gate structures and warp things in. this is probably because it all varies greatly on the zerg response and changes from game to game.

this guide cover's a very specific timing and focuses on the actual pressure part of the build. I like to think of it as a "magnifying glass" focusing in on a crucial part of the early-mid game.

obviously those who don't always have time to watch each replay or cant access SC2 at all while reading guides will favor this one as its straight forward and can directly applied in game (although perhaps not to maximum effect)

where as yours cover's the entire PvZ early - late game as a whole and gives a broader look as to how to approach the matchup.


bottom line

If people are looking for a quick copy and paste as the kind gentlemen above posted, build that they can use to apply some early game pressure to zerg then do as they please, they can look at this guide.

If they are looking to fine tune and try an entirely tried-tested and true style of pvz with a guide written and displayed from start to finish so that people can truly improve themselves, they will check out yours.


I'm writing this from philosophy class so i may just have my head up my ass here :D
Thats "Grand-Master" SMURF to you.....
AGIANTSMURF
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1232 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 00:10:39
February 09 2012 00:09 GMT
#48
double post. move along.....
Thats "Grand-Master" SMURF to you.....
-VoidRay-
Profile Joined December 2011
57 Posts
February 09 2012 01:57 GMT
#49
@ AGIANTSMURF - I get what you are saying 100% and I realize that the majority of people who go out and copy and paste a guide don't do it right ect, ect, but, I also didn't write a guide on "PvZ in general." As you said, my guide is more of a magnifying glass into this build so that if you watch the VOD and if you follow the BO (not even necessarily to a T) you will have success using this build. I have absolutely nothing against Alejandrisha's guide and I actually believe that his goes more in depth which is great, but all I did was make a shorter, more concise version that allowed a player to have a visual as well as textual representation of a build I generally have great success with.
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vaderseven
Profile Joined September 2008
United States2556 Posts
February 09 2012 06:28 GMT
#50
To be clear, I think againstmurf and I are both saying that both guides are fine and have their places/uses. If I got to pick through my mighty will what guide will get posted next would I have picked this? No probably not. I would have wanted it to be well formatted and presented like this one and based on a real build.

ANYWAYS, move along everyone, talk about the BUILD not the guide as I love reading back and forth about strats!
CrazyF1r3f0x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2120 Posts
February 09 2012 06:38 GMT
#51
I've seen on hero's stream he gets stalkers instead of zealots when facing a Zerg with a late gasm it seems pretty effective bc stalkers are fairly efficient against slow lings when micro'd
"Actual happiness always looks pretty squalid in comparison with the overcompensations for misery."
Tazerenix
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia340 Posts
February 09 2012 07:14 GMT
#52
On February 09 2012 15:38 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
I've seen on hero's stream he gets stalkers instead of zealots when facing a Zerg with a late gasm it seems pretty effective bc stalkers are fairly efficient against slow lings when micro'd

Zealots are better against lings in every circumstance, it is most likely because a late gas can be telling of a zerg planning to go into roaches, which stalkers are better against.
Swap
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden144 Posts
February 09 2012 08:33 GMT
#53
Well thanks for the guide! I dont care if there are multiple guides on the same build. You can always find something new or think of something new when you read something that is put down in other words.

Im still more into doing voidray + zealot pressure. Often with 2-3 voidrays + 2-3 warpins of zealot following up if I feel that the zerg cant handle my pressure that good.
These days they usually follow up with 2-3 base roach + hydra pressure, so I tend to tech to templars (good against mutas too) and can usually secure a quite early third.
he he... ja
Belha
Profile Joined December 2010
Italy2850 Posts
February 09 2012 08:58 GMT
#54
This have already been covered by other guides like the one from alej or the one from kcdc. Also imo this guide is much more inferior and undeep.
Chicken gank op
Belerafon
Profile Joined April 2011
Ukraine3 Posts
February 09 2012 11:59 GMT
#55
Hi, i'm plat toss. Question here: what is the point of having two gases before gate? Watching your replay i noticed that you have like 300-400 gas at any point of time and you start using it quite late. I fell like instead of that you can throw down gate earlier which will allow you to have wg research earlier. So you kind of trading wg timing for some extra gas which you do not need untill 9 minute mark.
RRDjhonn
Profile Joined January 2012
34 Posts
February 09 2012 12:23 GMT
#56
he safe gas for defensive prop , after push with zea+1 counter roach its very common , you need 300-400 gas for stalker/sentry warping in home.
Belerafon
Profile Joined April 2011
Ukraine3 Posts
February 09 2012 12:29 GMT
#57
I feel like if you take your gases after gate you would still be able to warp in 4 sentries in time.
-VoidRay-
Profile Joined December 2011
57 Posts
February 09 2012 13:37 GMT
#58
@Belerafon - It really comes down to preference. I will sometimes throw down gas before gates or gate before gas. The reason I do gas before gate sometimes is obviously off two base, gas is much more needed and I feel like sacrificing 3-7 seconds for gas I will need much later is actually not a bad idea especially when doing this build where you bank a lot of money and gas to begin with. Also Belerafon is quite right. Roach aggression after is very common and being able to warp in 4 sentries and still have enough gas to use on tech and a warp in of 4 stalkers really helps. I see your point and its valid but I don't think it makes that much of a difference in this build but might in others.
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-Cyrus-
Profile Joined June 2011
United States318 Posts
February 09 2012 14:29 GMT
#59
If you go double stargate and chrono out 4 void rays you can hit with 8 +1 zealots at 9:10ish as well as 4 void rays somewhere else. Extremely powerful build, it crushes pretty much anyone below mid master. (I realize what i am talking about is a completely different build).
-VoidRay-
Profile Joined December 2011
57 Posts
February 09 2012 14:37 GMT
#60
@-Trippin- Yeah haha, it is a different build but same general concept. The beauty of this build is the transitions and the +1 zealot Voidray timing is a strong one but I find it is a little harder to transition out of if major damage isn't done.
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