EPT[G] PvZ – FFE into 4 Gate +1 Zealot Pressure - Page 2
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CreepyNA
United States106 Posts
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Tazerenix
Australia340 Posts
On February 08 2012 06:16 CreepyNA wrote: Can anyone tell me a good way to hold off the zealot pressure if I can't find the probe? Too often, I lose because my roaches are on the way and they target the hatch down. I get my evo and roach warren at 7:00. If you don't find the probe then you are going to be extremely hard pressed to hold off the pressure without initial roaches. If you quickly spread creep to your third you can use queens to help delay the zealots whilst you get roaches out. | ||
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Tazerenix
Australia340 Posts
You can get 2 void rays out and easily snipe the third if you didn't get it before (assuming your stargates go unscouted, so make sure they go unscouted! and given how much you delayed the zerg you could potentially kill it even if they are scouted. Then, against roach, you can go up to a good 8 void rays and control the map against any sort of roach pressure whilst getting a third and teching to colossus, or you can pump a bunch of phoenix to hard counter any 2 base mutalisk (or potentially infestor) builds. Here is a replay of the 2 stargate follow up off +1 zealot pressure. I didn't even execute it fairly well but I was able to control the map a lot. www.tazerenix.com/replays/73 | ||
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AGIANTSMURF
United States1232 Posts
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Blacklizard
United States1194 Posts
And whatever happened to the rule about not putting everything in spoilers...? | ||
monk
United States8477 Posts
On February 08 2012 05:05 TangSC wrote: While Alejandrisha did a phenomenal job in his Heroic PvZ guide, I think you're being a bit harsh. Voidray still put time and effort into the guide because he thought it would help some protoss players learn the style - he even did a tutorial video and replay analysis. There's nothing wrong with multiple points of view on a given build, and I think his contribution, though not as detailed as Alej's, will help some players. I'm just suggesting he could have spent his time doing something more useful, possibly write a non-overlapping guide if he checked beforehand. On February 08 2012 06:16 CreepyNA wrote: Can anyone tell me a good way to hold off the zealot pressure if I can't find the probe? Too often, I lose because my roaches are on the way and they target the hatch down. I get my evo and roach warren at 7:00. Make sure you manually make roaches out of your 3rd instead of from all your hatches. | ||
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-VoidRay-
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bertu
Brazil871 Posts
Please keep in mind that I am not saying this for the sake of annoying the author (any effort for helping the community is welcomed, after all). I just want to make sure that anyone that finds this thread will also look at the other thread as well or they will miss important information when doing this opening/style. Also, make sure you are not violating TL`s policy about self-advertising: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=117332 | ||
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monk
United States8477 Posts
On February 08 2012 08:42 VoidRayRH wrote: Monk, I understand you think that this guide may not have been a great use of my time but I honestly believe that my time WAS spent doing something useful and believe that this guide has helped out my fellow Protoss players greatly. Yes maybe there is another guide out there but I'm simply trying to help? If you think you spent your time well, then you shouldn't care what other people think =P. | ||
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-VoidRay-
57 Posts
On February 08 2012 08:57 NrGmonk wrote: If you think you spent your time well, then you shouldn't care what other people think =P. haha true, i'll make sure next guide is on something new ^^ | ||
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alexisonfire
Brazil25 Posts
Thank you for the guide. | ||
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Adonminus
Israel543 Posts
I have succeeded to start warping zealots at 7:13 at my best timing. which means 6 zealots with +1 already at 7:15. That's a minute earlier than a 4 gate +1 off a FFE, and usually he won't have roaches in time to defend. If you want, I could post some replays of how it's done. | ||
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-VoidRay-
57 Posts
 But it is not wrong just different. Thanks for the input! | ||
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TangSC
Canada1866 Posts
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CaptainHaz
United States240 Posts
On February 09 2012 00:27 TangSC wrote: Back on the topic of "all zergs know how to defend this", I don't think it's necessarily true. However, I know that if I saw that zealot and/or probe moving across the map I'd kill it before it got to my 3rd with 4-6 speedlings, and I'd never let that proxy probe get to a hiding spot (just with solid zergling patrols). I feel like this pressure gets shut down pretty hard by active scouting / anyone who makes extra slings. It really depends on how many lings you commit to and how many zealots are made. Generally speaking if I clear the tower long enough for a probe to get by, I can usually safely get a proxy pylon up as warpgate tech is finishing. On maps like antiga it's generally really easy to get a proxy set up since the zerg usually doesn't make enough lings to cover areas where a probe can slip by. Maps like, shakuras and metalopolis are a little more difficult, but even if I clear the tower for only a couple seconds before your batch of speedlings kill my zealot my probe can slip by unnoticed. I can drop like 2/3 pylons near your third and it is unlikely that you would be able to kill them all before my zealots warp in. For the most part the pylon just needs to be on your side of the map or force out enough speedlings to do economic damage in its own right. | ||
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-VoidRay-
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RRDjhonn
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-VoidRay-
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chimpyman
United States6 Posts
On February 08 2012 05:25 doner0 wrote: HOLY SHIT! this is probably the best guide i have seen on this so far. Great job! ya i tried this out and it worked perfectly. the zerg player was completely unprepared and i sniped his 3rd. This guide is really simple to use and i learned and awesome strat from it. thanks man! awesome guide! | ||
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NoisyNinja
United States991 Posts
On February 08 2012 05:05 TangSC wrote: While Alejandrisha did a phenomenal job in his Heroic PvZ guide, I think you're being a bit harsh. Voidray still put time and effort into the guide because he thought it would help some protoss players learn the style - he even did a tutorial video and replay analysis. There's nothing wrong with multiple points of view on a given build, and I think his contribution, though not as detailed as Alej's, will help some players. Well said. I found this guide short, sweet, and to the point. | ||
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