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Tal0n
Profile Joined April 2010
United States175 Posts
January 10 2012 22:00 GMT
#61
just a mad thumbs up for this thread. i have tons of these ideas but i never make them into teamliquid threads. moar pls!
eeizbee
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada19 Posts
January 10 2012 22:06 GMT
#62
very interesting, i'd love to play against this build it seems so much like an easy win for a protoss to go double starport and overwhelm the zerg because their bases are so spread. that being said i think most protoss are smart enough to veto metalopolis. besides those two points i like this build it would be an interesting game to play.
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Trusty
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand520 Posts
January 10 2012 22:30 GMT
#63
On January 11 2012 06:59 Theovide wrote:
If this build is actually good I'm flabbergasted. Seems super cool though, it's kind of like the cc float to the gold for terrans.


Except it doesn't lose if scouted
Marooned
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway161 Posts
January 11 2012 00:13 GMT
#64
On January 11 2012 06:16 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 06:05 ster wrote:
Haha, Snute is using this build right now in the IEM qualifier!


And destroying Real with it. Sick.


Was just waiting for something like this before I made a comment.. And to a previous poster Im not gonna name; yeah it is kinda cute that half of the guys commenting here are Norwegians. Maybe the reason they seemed rude to you might have something to do about the way you articulated yourself. The OP did a better work with this guide then 95% of other guides in this forum, so why complain. I agree that it lacked replays, and its not the BEST guide out there content wise, but still. I kinda like guides that explaines a strategy that the OP has come up with himself, not just guides that explains a buildorder from the GSL. Not everything has to be viable at your level of play to be posted here I hope.

GJ Snute! Hope you'll add some more replays. Interesting strat
Minus151
Profile Joined September 2011
United States16 Posts
January 11 2012 00:23 GMT
#65
On January 11 2012 09:13 Marooned wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 06:16 Zealously wrote:
On January 11 2012 06:05 ster wrote:
Haha, Snute is using this build right now in the IEM qualifier!


And destroying Real with it. Sick.


Was just waiting for something like this before I made a comment.. And to a previous poster Im not gonna name; yeah it is kinda cute that half of the guys commenting here are Norwegians. Maybe the reason they seemed rude to you might have something to do about the way you articulated yourself. The OP did a better work with this guide then 95% of other guides in this forum, so why complain. I agree that it lacked replays, and its not the BEST guide out there content wise, but still. I kinda like guides that explaines a strategy that the OP has come up with himself, not just guides that explains a buildorder from the GSL. Not everything has to be viable at your level of play to be posted here I hope.

GJ Snute! Hope you'll add some more replays. Interesting strat


Do you actually have any idea who Monk is? Take a look at his post history and realize that he consistently writes some of the best guides on TL. His guides should be a benchmark as to how a guide should truly be written.

To comment on the build in question : How does this deal against FFE into Stargate play? It seems as though it would be impossible to get creep between your bases in time to defend them all with queens. Something like a +1 Zealot/Voidray pressure would also do quite well against this, I feel. Are there any replays of Toss doing this in response to the build?
Marooned
Profile Joined January 2011
Norway161 Posts
January 11 2012 01:11 GMT
#66
Hm... I agree, his guides are great, but thats not the point. I didnt say anything bad about his guides or him in general, and if you feel I did then I apologize. My point is that Im sure if Snute had time he would have made this guide better, and I hope he adds more replays to this eventually. I dont know about you, but I enjoy it when high level players like this takes the time to write a guide themselves in general. And to my understanding it is within the standards of this forum. But whatever, Im not gonna derail it anymore then I allready did
Liquid`Snute
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Norway839 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-11 08:44:39
January 11 2012 08:42 GMT
#67
Hmm actually you should just skip the second gold base. Having one to bust with is enough. Zerg OP xD

I'm sorry but I don't think I will write any more guides because the standard is too high, it simply takes too many hours for me if I'm going to make every single one into a mini thesis.
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oOOoOphidian
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1402 Posts
January 11 2012 09:33 GMT
#68
On January 11 2012 17:42 Snute wrote:
Hmm actually you should just skip the second gold base. Having one to bust with is enough. Zerg OP xD

I'm sorry but I don't think I will write any more guides because the standard is too high, it simply takes too many hours for me if I'm going to make every single one into a mini thesis.

Maybe post it as a discussion thread instead so there won't be so much whining or mod action. Definitely a cool idea, I have tried this a few times with a high queen count. Not so confident in taking the other gold base, but I haven't tested that myself either.
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InfusedTT.DaZe
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania693 Posts
January 11 2012 09:53 GMT
#69
one of the reasons sase sickness and me don't agree with forge expanding
also check ReaL vs Snute from the iem qualifier to see some 1 sided slaughter
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monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8477 Posts
January 11 2012 14:33 GMT
#70
On January 11 2012 09:13 Marooned wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 11 2012 06:16 Zealously wrote:
On January 11 2012 06:05 ster wrote:
Haha, Snute is using this build right now in the IEM qualifier!


And destroying Real with it. Sick.


Was just waiting for something like this before I made a comment.. And to a previous poster Im not gonna name; yeah it is kinda cute that half of the guys commenting here are Norwegians. Maybe the reason they seemed rude to you might have something to do about the way you articulated yourself. The OP did a better work with this guide then 95% of other guides in this forum, so why complain. I agree that it lacked replays, and its not the BEST guide out there content wise, but still. I kinda like guides that explaines a strategy that the OP has come up with himself, not just guides that explains a buildorder from the GSL. Not everything has to be viable at your level of play to be posted here I hope.

GJ Snute! Hope you'll add some more replays. Interesting strat

True, I could have used a better tone but tbh this is just how I post on these forums. My style is concise and succinct, but many people interpret it as rude. If you read my posts with that tone in mind, you'll see I was just giving suggestions to the guide and not really maliciously criticizing it. And the reason I actually tried to give suggestions was that the guide seemed like it could be promising but fell into common pitfalls of guidewriting on TL. Plus Snute himself has been pretty cool about it. Also, don't see why you can't say my name; seems weird.
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Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
January 12 2012 03:06 GMT
#71
What I'll say to you Snute is that yeah, I think this is a cool guide but maybe it should be labelled as a discussion. I have a lot of respect for Monk because his guides are really, really good but they always have to be up to his standard. This thread has generated some great discussion, so please don't stop writing

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Cocoba
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada352 Posts
January 12 2012 03:13 GMT
#72
This build sounds really weak to stargates as you have no anti air.
Also the sentry warp prism thing can wreck because your army is so split. For the protoss to be able to kill the main and all the tech, they will be pretty far ahead.
:D
pintipanda
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey22 Posts
January 20 2012 13:36 GMT
#73
just saw this tactic executed by Targa against Hasuobs in IEM Kiev 2012 (on Antiga Shipyard)
let me say, baneling bust like a boss and a clear win.

ps. Snute, you should really keep writing this strategies when you have time.

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HickleStine
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia276 Posts
January 20 2012 13:55 GMT
#74
I've seen lastshadow do this (with roach/hydra or muta/ling instead of ling/bane) on antiga shipyard. Seems to work pretty well high up on the korean ladder o.O You really can defend just about anything with proper timings etc...
FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
January 20 2012 14:24 GMT
#75
golds without rocks deny forge expands, protoss should know this by now, if they don't they deserve the loss. Terrans can also float there on antiga and meta in some situations against the toss. Love to abuse the current 2 base zerg in tvz against hellions by taking their gold for the time being and then splitting the map on meta. Or use the super short fly distance from the edge of the main towards the gold on antiga. 3 cc opening for the win.

Anyway what i found out as toss works pretty nice is to fake an forge expand into tricking them to get the gold and do a +1 3 gate timing. If they don't go for the gold blindly and lose the game, you can still expand. Its not as greedy as before but the zerg can't drone like cazy or stay +0 lings only and get the 3rd fast. But you are a bit weaker against aggression, but its easier to scout it coming and its holdable.
NydusHerMain
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada492 Posts
January 20 2012 15:26 GMT
#76
Personally, I find that this build doesn't work as well on Antiga since I don't want to do a 14/14 speedling FE vs an FFE (economywise). However, I have tried this quite often (with a lot of success) on metalopolis before this guide was put out. Very effective unless the protoss is rushing a stargate and gets a couple of void rays out.
Liquid`Snute
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Norway839 Posts
January 20 2012 16:41 GMT
#77
On January 20 2012 22:36 pintipanda wrote:
just saw this tactic executed by Targa against Hasuobs in IEM Kiev 2012 (on Antiga Shipyard)
let me say, baneling bust like a boss and a clear win.

ps. Snute, you should really keep writing this strategies when you have time.


Hi yes, this thread is kind of obselete now since the 1 gold base baneling bust is completely unstoppable. I will write a guide for that one, so everyone will start doing it (as if they aren't already lol). I hope Blizzard removes gold bases. Protoss players must stop FFEing on Antiga and Meta, too.
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Belial88
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5217 Posts
February 19 2012 09:52 GMT
#78
Personally on Metal I always take the gold as my natural (since they throw a pylon in natural usually, or whatever with probe), then take natural as third, as a fast third vs FFE. I never lose against Toss unless like they are GM level (one of the only times I recall losing was to a VT GM toss in a playhem tournament). But I've never thought of actually taking both golds.

What do you think of going double gold into just standard, safe, macro play?

What do you lose to?

Imo metal is imbalanced in zerg favor (antiga too) because zerg just takes gold third vs ffe, and just wins with huge econ that toss can't possibly stop. Never thought of taking both golds though!
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