• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:56
CEST 15:56
KST 22:56
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy6[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Summer's End9
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple1BSL Season 235Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon101Weekly Cups (Aug 30-Sep 7): herO thrives amid growing schism10
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon SC4ALL II: StarCraft 2 Player Announcement 8/8 The Death of Cheese: From a Professional Cheeser
Tourneys
2026 GSTL Announcement Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 SC2 AI Tournament 2026 Fall
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
Mutation # 544 Double Trouble The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses Mutation # 542 The Ascended
Brood War
General
New 3v3 BGH Ladder (and more) on ShieldBattery! Bot on ladder Recent recommended BW games an AI researcher's take on the ladder bot BSL Season 23
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro8 Day 1 [BSL23] SM: Ret vs TerrOr -> DragOn vs StRyKeR [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro16 Group D
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Diablo IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine All you football fans (soccer)! Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Gaming Intensity, Problemati…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Dreaming of BW patches (mod…
c3rberUs
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7937 users

[G] ZvT Roach/Ling All-In (Or is it?) - Page 15

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Strategy
Post a Reply
Prev 1 13 14 15 All
coL.hendralisk
Profile Joined September 2009
Zimbabwe1756 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-20 22:10:07
March 20 2012 21:58 GMT
#281
On March 18 2012 13:27 TangSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2012 11:12 Hossinaut wrote:
22-23 drones is not much more than 21 drones.
The build order says drone to 28 with 2 queens and 2-4 lings
28 supply = 28 drones (possible)
-4 supply for queens
-1-2 supply for lings
-------------------------------------
22-23 Drones

http://i.imgur.com/NoSv9.jpg

From the roach/ling/bane attack: same story in terms of drones
differences: -100 minerals and -50 gas for bane nest + cost of banes

Overall difference? To me, the primary difference is in the drone count, and the drone count determines the viability to transition and move successfully into the mid to late game.

The drone count is similar in the two builds, but the roach/ling comes 1 minute before the roach/ling/baneling timing. This means you can transition earlier, and since you're already at about 24 drones, it only takes 8 drones to reach full 2 base mineral saturation (without mining any gas or building additional structures).


If it gets defended there's no way you can transition from 20 drones at 8 min, maybe in bronze league

Definitely all-in, don't know why there's a "(or is it?)" in the title
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
March 21 2012 12:36 GMT
#282
On March 21 2012 06:58 HenryZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 18 2012 13:27 TangSC wrote:
On March 17 2012 11:12 Hossinaut wrote:
22-23 drones is not much more than 21 drones.
The build order says drone to 28 with 2 queens and 2-4 lings
28 supply = 28 drones (possible)
-4 supply for queens
-1-2 supply for lings
-------------------------------------
22-23 Drones

http://i.imgur.com/NoSv9.jpg

From the roach/ling/bane attack: same story in terms of drones
differences: -100 minerals and -50 gas for bane nest + cost of banes

Overall difference? To me, the primary difference is in the drone count, and the drone count determines the viability to transition and move successfully into the mid to late game.

The drone count is similar in the two builds, but the roach/ling comes 1 minute before the roach/ling/baneling timing. This means you can transition earlier, and since you're already at about 24 drones, it only takes 8 drones to reach full 2 base mineral saturation (without mining any gas or building additional structures).


If it gets defended there's no way you can transition from 20 drones at 8 min, maybe in bronze league

Definitely all-in, don't know why there's a "(or is it?)" in the title

It's not that black and white - this is the most aggressive of Roach/Ling timings with lings from 44 to 60 supply. Keep in mind you don't have to make lings to 60, you could cut it at 52 or 56 to begin droning. Depending on how you do it, it's 22-30 drones at 7:15. That means by 8min, you can be between 35 and 40 drones with a 3rd base halfway done, allowing you to max out infestor/ling/ultra with great upgrades by 15:30. The build requires you to do some damage to remain even, but the question is how much damage do you have to do?
Coaching www.allin-academy.com | Team www.All-Inspiration.com
Azoryen
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Portugal242 Posts
October 15 2012 14:54 GMT
#283
How does this build do against 1base play by terran?
Can you do it anyway or you should see him going 1raxFE first?
Prev 1 13 14 15 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Weekly
11:00
WardiTV Mondays #105
IntoTheiNu 1718
WardiTV848
OGKoka 231
Rex139
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
OGKoka 231
ProTech163
Rex 139
StarCraft: Brood War
Bisu 3163
Jaedong 1779
Soulkey 718
Shine 716
Mini 531
Larva 385
ggaemo 301
Stork 282
Barracks 236
firebathero 218
[ Show more ]
hero 155
Hyun 115
Mind 95
Snow 78
Sharp 60
JYJ 52
Sexy 50
Shinee 37
ToSsGirL 35
HiyA 27
sorry 25
Free 20
Noble 15
zelot 14
yabsab 13
Terrorterran 13
scan(afreeca) 12
JulyZerg 10
Icarus 6
NotJumperer 4
eros_byul 2
Dota 2
Gorgc6711
qojqva1311
Dendi1096
BananaSlamJamma142
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1542
edward222
Heroes of the Storm
crisheroes411
Khaldor99
Other Games
singsing2259
B2W.Neo1016
hiko829
Lowko422
XBOCT352
Hui .206
Liquid`VortiX173
Mew2King107
QueenE70
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream8650
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream5468
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 9
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• mYiSmile113
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 2163
League of Legends
• Nemesis1743
• TFBlade714
Other Games
• WagamamaTV207
Upcoming Events
Monday Night Weeklies
2h 5m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
20h 5m
Afreeca Starleague
20h 5m
Light vs EffOrt
OSC
22h 5m
PiGosaur Cup
1d 10h
Kung Fu Cup
1d 21h
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
[ Show More ]
GSL
5 days
Yamato Cup
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
WardiTV Weekly
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Super Anchor Qualifying S3
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Big Dog Cup 2026 Div 1

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Acropolis #5 - GSA
Calamity Invitational
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.