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Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 00:18:33
November 15 2011 00:16 GMT
#21
This is an awesome post Poke, much of which I share a similar mentality to when playing the game. Everyone should have this mindset for your Starcraft game, you will improve much faster and have more fun doing it.

Also have to say I was a complete newbie to competitive SC when I installed bw/iccup in 2009, but Teamliquid held the Coach-Pupil League, which helped me get from D (low 1000s) to C- (3000+) before SC2 came out. Pokebunny was one of the coaches on my team and I have to give him credit for being a Masters level player in SC2.

So thank you from a fellow Nick for this post and your help!
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
November 15 2011 00:16 GMT
#22
Thanks everyone I'm glad you like it. I was afraid it was a little too disorganized to be good to read, but it seems like people like it ^^

Haha thank you Sharon :>
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
envisioN .
Profile Joined February 2011
United States552 Posts
November 15 2011 00:23 GMT
#23
I love this guide! ♥
It addresses everything not game related that could contribute to you losing more than you should or not playing enough. I especially liked the part about not telling yourself something CAN'T be done because I do that all the time!! If I lose a long macro game to a protoss because I couldn't EMP all of his HT or snipe his collosus or just didn't build enough of an army, I have gotten in the habit of telling myself that a late game protoss army isn't possible to beat with Terran bio.

Thank You Pokebunny!! ♥♥♥♥♥♥
"Good works do not make a good man, but a good man does good works" -Martin Luther ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
November 15 2011 00:34 GMT
#24
@Tump/envision, you're welcome ^^
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
ElusoryX
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Singapore2047 Posts
November 15 2011 00:58 GMT
#25
totally agree with everything said here. it's something what i advocate as well in my sc2 life lol.
xd
unit
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2621 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 01:22:54
November 15 2011 01:18 GMT
#26
i came into this thread expecting to not learn anything and be generally bored through reading the post and finding its flaws, then i looked at the poster

tl's own powerhouse wonderkid (the one that isnt named kolll)

much legitimacy was gained :D

edit: im a blind idiot ;3 great post poke :D still remember you from broodwar back when you were on...what was it mG? getting ready to transition over to sc2
TangSC
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada1866 Posts
November 15 2011 01:59 GMT
#27
A lot of great points, I made a similar post about Positive Mindset in Sc2. Keep it up
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ClysmiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2192 Posts
November 15 2011 02:31 GMT
#28
I gotta show this to some of my friends who suffer from insane ladder fear. I used to... then one day I just started playing lol.
LeakyBucket
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada76 Posts
November 15 2011 02:38 GMT
#29
I'm only in platinum and I never get angry because I know the reason I lose is because of my own, plentiful, mistakes. As long as I know that there is room to improve I will stay motivated, at least that is how I view it.
antihobo
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada121 Posts
November 15 2011 02:46 GMT
#30
I was recently having a ton of trouble (as Z) dealing with protoss death balls and was raging hard as a result. I get extremely angry when I lose, but not because I think I should have won, but because I could have won.

Raging isn't necessarily a bad thing, as long as you can use it to be constructive. I went over my recent losses against protoss and I haven't lost a ZvP in 2 days.

This write-up is excellent, hope more people read.
takin yer ladder points
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
November 15 2011 03:02 GMT
#31
On November 15 2011 06:19 Megabuster123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 05:11 Br3ezy wrote:
fear is such a weak emotion and that's why i despise it

Fear isn't a weak emotion, only a fool feels no fear.


I don't feel fear on SC2 ladder that's for sure. And I'm not a fool. I'm a random masters player, not Nestea, what do I have to fear?
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
LatsyrC
Profile Joined November 2011
Haiti76 Posts
November 15 2011 03:06 GMT
#32
just beautifull :D
SyT3Kro
Bulldog654
Profile Joined September 2011
United States79 Posts
November 15 2011 03:08 GMT
#33
What helps me the most is remembering the speech White-Ra (my favorite player) gave in some documentary trailer I saw, I can't remember where I saw it at the moment but I have it memorized:

"When I starting play, I very disappointing and very sad after my lose. If you want to make one goal to win, you must lose you can't win all games. We are people, you make mistake you are not computer and if you understand your mistake when you lose you just can make analysis game and continue play and try to fix it and its no problem. More gg more skill."

As it turns out, I am not the best player in the world, once you accept this then the learning process can begin. Great post Poke, pure wisdom.
colonel66
Profile Joined August 2011
United States8 Posts
November 15 2011 03:10 GMT
#34
I've had issues not just with laddering, but with Starcraft in general. I'm a gold Terran and have suffered from probably all of these symptoms (ladder fear, confidence slumps, etc). In addition...actually I might categorize this under "oh I lost because..." but I've often felt like I have the worst mechanical (technical) problems.

By this, I mean that in addition to the game psyching me out, I suffer from (perceived) technological deficiencies that may in fact be real.

I have a macbook pro (>.<) and use a Logitech M505 wireless mouse with software that (I think) effectively disables mouse acceleration in my Starcraft application. But, I still have problems with mouse control. Every once in a while (at least once per game) my mouse jerks violently in one direction. This has many times resulted in a bad command and my exasperation. Overall, I don't have the control that I think I should have over mouse movement.

Also, for some reason, even when I save Starcraft replays from TL to my sc2 replays folder, I can't find them when I go in-game and try to watch.

====
Does anyone have advice for the guy who complains about his mouse? I've already tried a few things, and for the most part is working fine, but as I said above, it's sorta far from perfect. Maybe it isn't even a problem and I should get over it?

Great post, by the way. It feels great to read well written articles
somethin on yo mind?
sorrowptoss
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1431 Posts
November 15 2011 03:14 GMT
#35
+ Show Spoiler +
The Mental Block
This more applies to higher level players, but it really can be incorporated anywhere. The mental block I'm talking about is the one where you've convinced yourself something CAN'T be done - whether it be you beating a certain player (fear of big names etc), dealing with a certain build or unit, convincing yourself that something is imbalanced, etc. You must always be positive about your own play, every problem has a solution, every build has a counter, every player has a weakness and can be beaten. Having a positive, open mindset is key to learning, and I see so many situations of high master/even pro players saying "damn, pro player X is so much better than me. there's nothing I can do to beat him." Never convince yourself that it can't be done or that you are incapable of doing something. Keep on fighting~!


In a certain way, is this inspired by Idra?


Anyway besides that, this thread is really great. It rounds up all the other ones circulating in TL about getting better on ladder.
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 03:28:30
November 15 2011 03:27 GMT
#36
ddddddoublepost
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 03:30:44
November 15 2011 03:28 GMT
#37
On November 15 2011 12:14 sorrowptoss wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
The Mental Block
This more applies to higher level players, but it really can be incorporated anywhere. The mental block I'm talking about is the one where you've convinced yourself something CAN'T be done - whether it be you beating a certain player (fear of big names etc), dealing with a certain build or unit, convincing yourself that something is imbalanced, etc. You must always be positive about your own play, every problem has a solution, every build has a counter, every player has a weakness and can be beaten. Having a positive, open mindset is key to learning, and I see so many situations of high master/even pro players saying "damn, pro player X is so much better than me. there's nothing I can do to beat him." Never convince yourself that it can't be done or that you are incapable of doing something. Keep on fighting~!


In a certain way, is this inspired by Idra?


Anyway besides that, this thread is really great. It rounds up all the other ones circulating in TL about getting better on ladder.

It's inspired actually by my own experiences and talking to other pro players. However, IdrA is a great example of that.
On November 15 2011 12:08 Bulldog654 wrote:
What helps me the most is remembering the speech White-Ra (my favorite player) gave in some documentary trailer I saw, I can't remember where I saw it at the moment but I have it memorized:

"When I starting play, I very disappointing and very sad after my lose. If you want to make one goal to win, you must lose you can't win all games. We are people, you make mistake you are not computer and if you understand your mistake when you lose you just can make analysis game and continue play and try to fix it and its no problem. More gg more skill."

As it turns out, I am not the best player in the world, once you accept this then the learning process can begin. Great post Poke, pure wisdom.

Yep! Definitely a good piece of advice, and I love White-Ra english hahahaha. So fun~!

On November 15 2011 12:10 colonel66 wrote:
I've had issues not just with laddering, but with Starcraft in general. I'm a gold Terran and have suffered from probably all of these symptoms (ladder fear, confidence slumps, etc). In addition...actually I might categorize this under "oh I lost because..." but I've often felt like I have the worst mechanical (technical) problems.

By this, I mean that in addition to the game psyching me out, I suffer from (perceived) technological deficiencies that may in fact be real.

I have a macbook pro (>.<) and use a Logitech M505 wireless mouse with software that (I think) effectively disables mouse acceleration in my Starcraft application. But, I still have problems with mouse control. Every once in a while (at least once per game) my mouse jerks violently in one direction. This has many times resulted in a bad command and my exasperation. Overall, I don't have the control that I think I should have over mouse movement.

Also, for some reason, even when I save Starcraft replays from TL to my sc2 replays folder, I can't find them when I go in-game and try to watch.

====
Does anyone have advice for the guy who complains about his mouse? I've already tried a few things, and for the most part is working fine, but as I said above, it's sorta far from perfect. Maybe it isn't even a problem and I should get over it?

Great post, by the way. It feels great to read well written articles

Do you have a friend who has a nicer computer/setup that you can try playing on, to see if it's more comfortable? Or possibly a LAN place/internet cafe that has computers you can try playing on?

Try playing mouse speed/accuracy training games on the internet if you're really suffering from being unable to quickly and accurately do what you want with your mouse.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
JMC4
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States261 Posts
November 15 2011 04:26 GMT
#38
Good write up. It is good to see the younger players in SC2 representing And showing their knowledge. Well done and keep working hard.
Diamond Protoss ~
RxDamitol
Profile Joined February 2011
United States83 Posts
November 15 2011 04:55 GMT
#39
Thank you, great read!


The force is strong with this one.
Greedy beats Safe, Safe beats Cheesy, and Cheesy beats Greedy.
Mobius_1
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2763 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 06:02:11
November 15 2011 06:01 GMT
#40
PokeBunny is going to grow up to be the bestest motivational speaker evar.

<3


On November 15 2011 13:55 RxDamitol wrote:
Thank you, great read!


The force is strong with this one.


Quick, someone check his midichlorian count!
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