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[G] How to micro vs early pools in ZvZ

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BinxyBrown
Profile Joined December 2010
United States230 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-04 22:02:49
November 04 2011 21:21 GMT
#1
Preface

I see a lot of people on this forum ask for help on defending early pools, and I know that if you search for help you will get a lot of conflicting advice, I am going to attempt to explain how and why I react in a certain way vs early pools. It is very rare for me to lose to an early pool unless I'm playing really lazy even if I went hatch first and pooled on 16.

Timings

The difference between the timings of early pools is pretty key.

6 pools will leave their base at about 2:15 +/- 5 seconds

a 7 pool will leave the base at about 2:30 game time +/- 5 seconds.

8-9 pools come slightly later and often with drones for spine crawlers

10 pools can often come with more reinforcing lings and 2-3 drones for spines but much close to pool completion time.

If someone kills you with a weird pool timing watch the replay note the time and position of the map and try to memorize when it should hit your base on that map.

Precautions

Steps you can take to not be caught be surprise during an early pool build is to have a good overlord spread on your first 2, try and have at least one of them go to a common path of attack on the way to scout another base.

Some people like to drone scout in ZvZ as well, I personally don't really like it because I feel like with my build that I generally do, seeing it with a drone isn't going to change how I react to it until it would have been at my base anyways, and I often have a slightly later scout time after my second hatch has finished.

How to Micro vs an Early pool

The first thing you want to do is take a deep breath and remain calm, if you control well it is very likely you will be ahead in harvesters and units after a 6 pool with an earlier queen than them in many cases even if you lose upwards of 4 drones, with good control you can often limit this number to 1-2.

So you are like me and you don't drone scout you didn't see it coming with any of your overlords 6 lings are running up your ramp hungry for your drones, this is what you do.

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Box about half of your drones and be ready to mineral walk them to the other side of your minerals by clicking on the furthest patch away from your opponents lings

If 2 lings are a little overeager and have gotten ahead of the pack its okay to take these drones and attack those lings to get some early damage on them, then mineral walk when the rest of the lings show up.

It's important to remember that its your opponent who is on a timer, not you, you are in no rush to engage those lings, you just want to mine as peacefully as you can with as many drones as you can until your pool pops where you will immediately start a queen and make as many lings as necessary.

Thats great but what do I do if my opponent chases my drones?

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As you can see in this image my opponent is running out of time, hes at 8 harvesters to 17 and my pool is almost done, this was a 15 hatch 16 pool btw in Masters league. He commits with the lings trying to do some damage.

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I box all of my drones then click on the furthest mineral patch, once his lings are in the middle of my drones I quickly issue an attack command making short work of his lings.

The game is over at this point, I kill the lings and the spine before my lings have time to pop, if he had been more careful and ran as soon as I started moving however I would have just made a few lings and my queen as normal and used all my drones and my initial lings to fight him out of the base and kill the spine.



I hope this guide was helpful to at least 1 person, good luck and have fun crushing early pool builds with nothing but drones.

For people who just want a build order win vs early pools

If you just don't have the handspeed, or are in a league where 90% of your ZvZs are 6 pools and dont care if you are at a disadvantage for other pool timings I recommend the 11 overpool build:

Drone to 10
Extractor trick a drone to 11
overlord at 100 minerals
Spawning pool @ 200 minerals on 11 supply (this should go down about the same time as your overlord pops)
Gas anywhere between 11-15 supply depending on how aggressive you plan on being.
Drone to 15 make a queen and a ling then overlord.

Vs 14/14 you will have ling speed about the same time as them if you gas on 11, slightly later for the other gas timings, but you will have a much earlier queen to defend vs early lings of any kind. Your first set of lings will have just started as a 6 pool gets to your base and you should easily be able to buy time until your queen and more lings pop.
Banelings are like Ice Climbers if they grab you... your dead.
BinxyBrown
Profile Joined December 2010
United States230 Posts
November 04 2011 21:24 GMT
#2
Could a mod add a [G] tag please.
Banelings are like Ice Climbers if they grab you... your dead.
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
November 04 2011 21:30 GMT
#3
what if the opponent doesn't fall for that and forces you to attack the spine?
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BinxyBrown
Profile Joined December 2010
United States230 Posts
November 04 2011 21:34 GMT
#4
In this example the spine wouldnt finish before my lings, once my lings are out I would just 1a with everything and soon I would have a queen, even if I lost 7 drones at this point I would still be way ahead. If the spine went up sooner then he couldnt have reinforced his lings the same way he did in this game and I would have probably tagged the spine with 4 or so workers while trying to attack the lings with my drones and click injured ones back to patches.
Banelings are like Ice Climbers if they grab you... your dead.
mumpfel
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany52 Posts
November 04 2011 21:40 GMT
#5
You really have to add a [G], the title looks like you ask for help ;-)
tx.zyclon
Profile Joined August 2010
United States145 Posts
November 04 2011 21:44 GMT
#6
you can kill a spine with minimum of 4 drones, and it wont be long until your lings are there for backup. As long as you are careful with drone micro you will tear apart anyone daring to go for an early pool rush.
BinxyBrown
Profile Joined December 2010
United States230 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-04 21:46:06
November 04 2011 21:45 GMT
#7
Yeah I know lol, somehow just forgot the tag, hopefully a mod sees this somewhat soon, I dunno why TL doesnt allow people to edit the titles of the post, thats really functionally the site should have.
Banelings are like Ice Climbers if they grab you... your dead.
CookieMaker
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada880 Posts
November 04 2011 21:53 GMT
#8
Do you save larvae to get 6 lings immediately? or opt for an extra drone or 2 to fight back earlier with?
Micro your Macro
BinxyBrown
Profile Joined December 2010
United States230 Posts
November 04 2011 21:57 GMT
#9
You are already so far ahead in drones it is wise to just make lings for a while, if I have complete view of the front of their base with an overlord and I can tell for sure no more lings or spines or anything are coming sometimes I will only make 1 set of lings and continue making drones, but you are so ahead on workers already its almost always better to make lings and not be overgreedy.
Banelings are like Ice Climbers if they grab you... your dead.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
November 04 2011 22:06 GMT
#10
Good general guide. Might I recommend uploading some replays showing you (or another player) defending a variety of early pools? That would round out the guide beautifully, especially if you put some commentary on there as well.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
BinxyBrown
Profile Joined December 2010
United States230 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-04 22:12:09
November 04 2011 22:10 GMT
#11
I would be happy to commentate user submitted replays of people trying this, I could organize them by league and such. If I get early pooled more on ladder I can commentate those as well.
Banelings are like Ice Climbers if they grab you... your dead.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
November 04 2011 22:16 GMT
#12
On November 05 2011 07:10 BinxyBrown wrote:
I would be happy to commentate user submitted replays of people trying this, I could organize them by league and such. If I get early pooled more on ladder I can commentate those as well.


I should clarify, by commentate I just mean you type out a little blurb saying what happens and why the attack was defended (or not defended). No need to do a fully commentated Youtube video, unless you enjoy it.
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
SpunXtain
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia165 Posts
November 04 2011 22:29 GMT
#13
Yeah noone wants to see 10 6pools in a row. lol.
BinxyBrown
Profile Joined December 2010
United States230 Posts
November 05 2011 18:30 GMT
#14
Still need a [G] tag please. Anyone wanna post some reps of them fighting off early pools to complete the op?
Banelings are like Ice Climbers if they grab you... your dead.
jtixs
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom150 Posts
November 05 2011 19:19 GMT
#15
This is really good stuff and I would also like to see some short videos of this micro in action
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UncleSam
Profile Joined February 2011
Spain62 Posts
November 05 2011 19:30 GMT
#16
Very useful and detailed. Once again i'd like to ask for some replays of every kind of early pool (masters only please) if thats possible. Much apreciated
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Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19137 Posts
November 05 2011 20:04 GMT
#17
I'll add the tag but this must have some replays attached to it or it will be closed.
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Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
November 05 2011 20:15 GMT
#18
This is good, but only if the early pooler is stupid enough to get himselfs surrounded. Otherwise he will just hit and run untill he gets 10 lings at which point he can basically attack-move in into the drones. The better way of doing this is to engage him in the open, so that your drones gets as good of surface area as possible.
BlueBoxSC
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States582 Posts
November 06 2011 05:58 GMT
#19
Effective guide, used to have trouble with this.
BwCBlueBox.837
epikLEE
Profile Joined April 2011
United States8 Posts
November 06 2011 18:02 GMT
#20
Can you add replays? I think it would be easier to see than read.
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