[D] Terran, TvP and game-design - Page 18

On October 01 2011 06:16 Thorzain wrote:
I feel that TvP IS really micro intensive. EMP everything, move your units out of storms, focus fire individual colossi with vikings and kite zealots if he's zealot heavy. And while you're kiting zealots you have to move back your ghosts so that they dont all get killed in the blink of an eye. All these things at the same time. It's freaking hard if you ask me!

On October 03 2011 11:13 zdragon wrote:
Why do people think feedback is designed to counter ghost?

I see this idea pop up all the time, stop trying to primarily feedback ghosts. If you feedback ghosts, you got lucky. T mispositioned, moved his ghosts when he should have microed/scanned.

Feedback's primary purpose is to counter medivac. It does a great job of shutting down a 100/100 unit, possibly with cargo inside.

On October 03 2011 11:23 Nazza wrote:
I believe that SC2 should be designed from the ground up, first without things like MULEs or warpgates. If the game can be balanced and made fun at that level, then they can start thinking about things like macro mechanics.

OP you are spot on about how terran was playing in BW, except both harassment and timing attacks were used in all 3 matchups. (2/1 armory fast 3rd expo in TvP, and dropship play in TvZ). I just hate Dustin Browder when he says something dumb like "X race is the macro race" or "X race is the harass ment race". IMO all 3 races should be able to play different styles efficiently.

On October 03 2011 10:09 NicolBolas wrote:
What is wrong with having one matchup without those Goddamned Siege Tanks in it?

On October 03 2011 11:35 Banex wrote:



There are quite a few people in this thread who share this sentiment. But the fact of the matter is that the siege tank has been the backbone of the terran army since the starcraft 1 was released. Tanks are what terran has always been all about. Quite frankly, if you don't like the siege tank as a unit then you really are not a terran player at heart and should think about playing a different race.

On October 03 2011 13:05 sunman1g wrote:
god.. people quoting artosis almost literally regarding the marauder makes me laugh every time.

i personally like the marauder, it adds a lot of variety to every match up, TvT and TvZ too.
there's tons of people who like the marauder yet so many talk about about it like if EVERYONE hated it. that's simply not true.
and I am talking about Terran users.

... without it, you wouldn't be able to go bio vs mech or pure bio vs Z.

I do not want a slow-long game with 84283 bases, 242834 tanks every time I have to play.
Mech is boring shit.

On a side note, I am so happy ST_Bomber also dislikes mech he stated in an interview that "Mech in TvT is extremely boring" and that he will try to use bio as much as he can, he will try to change the current trend.

On October 03 2011 11:03 MrSandman wrote:
So basically, this should be Brood War? I honestly don't get why people spend half of their time suggesting that starcraft 2 become a game that had about 7 years of professional gamers testing builds and working out strategies. I know it seems like things are hard or stupid now but we're still in the early stages of the games development. Please stop hoping for a massive unit change in the expansion or some sort of super buff/nerf. I think Blizzard's made it clear that atm they're only doing changes to affect how certain units are used (infestor fungal change) and the occasional big one to change a stagnant match-up (Pvp for instance). Saying that a certain match-up/unit/composition is unsuitable or dumb in terms of the whole game seems really arrogant to me.

We won't know they're true use until all the options are fully explored. You quoted vultures, remember when people thought they were useless in bw? No terrans would use them and now if a terran doesn't players get suspicious. Hellions and ravens are the same for sc2. I say wait a few years for things to play out (It's been lesss than 18 months since relase) and then start complaining.

On October 03 2011 12:41 Zelniq wrote:
This guy gets it. Tanks, and other units that control space (like lurkers/tanks did in bw) are what made starcraft such a good game. They make various RTS principles important, such as map design/layout, controlling areas on the map, the 'dance' between strongly held areas and mobile forces circumventing said areas, which in turn spreads the defender more thin as the number of bases increases, promoting more smaller engagements around the map rather than just a giant blob wars.

I do hope for example that colossus become very immobile units in HotS so they can start fulfilling the same role as the tank/lurker did, rather than the opposite of that which is what it is now, with unit-walking and cliff-walking, which is the main reason why games involving colossi tend to come down to huge army vs army battles.

On October 03 2011 13:05 sunman1g wrote:
god.. people quoting artosis almost literally regarding the marauder makes me laugh every time.
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