EPT[G] Darkgrid Layout - Page 15
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Sennin
Belgium50 Posts
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cyrex
United States24 Posts
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CalmQ
United Kingdom9 Posts
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Raymano
Australia27 Posts
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FoxyMayhem
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Mouse Hotkeys must be set manually, or change your mouse drivers to produce O and P when pressed. Updating FAQ. I'll see if I can't make a good zerg inject video soon, if not tomorrow. | ||
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Sir Snoopy
United States57 Posts
E: I'm stupid and didn't think anyone asked this question. Sorry! | ||
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Myusen
Germany29 Posts
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cyrex
United States24 Posts
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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
In the same way, this will work for you, even if you haven't designed it. | ||
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juliansniff
United States50 Posts
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On February 05 2012 06:26 BeJu wrote: Is this not allowed in competative play? I know that changing hotkeys is frowned upon by blizzard so would this be allowed? That's a ridiculous statement. They gave us the option to change our hotkeys using their own UI. So far as I'm aware, changing your hotkeys is allowed in all (most?) tournaments, so long as only a single action is bound to a single key (IOW: No multi-action macros). | ||
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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
At one point, 1.3 used thirdparty software to bind the mouse keys as Ctrl and Shift, but I decided then that this had to be tournament ready. While the third party software complied with Blizzard's TOS, tournaments probably would not be okay with third party software aside from mouse drivers, or at least it would cause complications. Darkgrid 1.3 is tournament ready. | ||
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ZombieDenden
Germany15 Posts
I have also added shift and alt to two buttons on my mouse to get rid of the awkwardness of the shift+alt inject method. Now i just hold down the two buttons on my mouse and cycle through. So now my cycle is: mouse button 3 (queens), e (inject larva) hold down mouse buttons 7 and 10 (shift+alt), q, click, w, click, f, click, d, click, s, click, a, click feel like a boss (for those wondering about the mouse im using, its the Razer Naga (aka the telephone mouse).) It is so fast and accurate that i keep double checking to see that it actually did what i wanted. It feels weirdly fast Also i like that you have given us specific tasks for each control group. It makes me hotkey everything and also use those groups. This increases my control, speeds things up and minimises pesky precise clicks needed in micro battles. Additionally i got promoted from gold to platinum in 4v4 while i was training this setup so its hard to say it made things worse  One final note, the creep cam is excellent! It reminds me to spread creep and so my creep is spreading faster. | ||
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k1n6
United States4 Posts
A few tweaks: I play a lot of team play and the ping minimap was too hard..... i switched that to alt-g. I also made 6 an alt for the hatchery group. Also, changling feels very awkward on C I switched that to F, seems much better. Edit, PS: thanks a ton for putting together such an awesome keyboard layout | ||
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FoxyMayhem
624 Posts
As for ping, I should put it on alt+G for those who use that method -- I've always used alt+minimap click, so that position was just a throw-away. Updating the files now... And layouts updated. I took this chance to find the best places for more of those "throwaway" commands. This is the result: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WNjtz.png) Download the updated layouts or modify yours to match, whichever is easiest for people wanting to use these. I decided to keep it on Shift+Alt+G for now, since Alt can be used in place of Ctrl for setting control groups. Don't want to throw people off. Edit: yeah man! ^_^ | ||
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Doomtrain2
Germany45 Posts
 Realy glad ppl do this stuff as I see so many pros not realy using smart hotkey setups nor cams. Even Hero GM#6 doesn't have Zealots on a seperate hotkey and sometimes messes it up ^.^@topic: I watched the Protoss Grid Layout Explanation. I want to add: Using cycling base cams + chronoboost is very useful for training probes. But with dark grid 1.3 this becomes very difficult. You would press B then the Chronohotkey - that's not intuitiv and especially very slow. Will study this more... and am looking forward to visit this thread soon again when I find some time. And then probably test this. | ||
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Tobberoth
Sweden6375 Posts
On February 06 2012 21:02 Doomtrain2 wrote: Hi realy nice thread and idea, I AM using a modified grid with cam hotkeys on space and alt (setting it up with F and H (pylon)) and warpgates on R (very fast roling: F,R, q/w/e, space - produced and back at army with reinforcements already walking)! And I was just curious if there is anything I could enhance.. so I found this Realy glad ppl do this stuff as I see so many pros not realy using smart hotkey setups nor cams. Even Hero GM#6 doesn't have Zealots on a seperate hotkey and sometimes messes it up ^.^@topic: I watched the Protoss Grid Layout Explanation. I want to add: Using cycling base cams + chronoboost is very useful for training probes. But with dark grid 1.3 this becomes very difficult. You would press B then the Chronohotkey - that's not intuitiv and especially very slow. Will study this more... and am looking forward to visit this thread soon again when I find some time. And then probably test this. Can't you do it just like with injections? Press nexus group, hold shift, press and release chrono, cycle while clicking? | ||
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Doomtrain2
Germany45 Posts
On February 06 2012 21:17 Tobberoth wrote: Can't you do it just like with injections? Press nexus group, hold shift, press and release chrono, cycle while clicking? good idea. didn't look into zerg too much. I just used F1-F4 for base cams (checknig saturation and being fast with defending drops) and Protoss does not have the problem with the queens walking around when there is missing one - so just using one key to quickly cycle thrrough all bases and chrono everything is the most effective one and the Bases F1-F5 dont follow up with additional hotkeys just mouse movement commands - so atm this is optimum for me. Will consider / study your idea though. Maybe i just change some hotkeys. Like "center" to another position - I use centering for microing mostly (when there is a unit in the corner and you have to move it more to the corner for example) unlike zerg that uses it for transfusing. So not that important maybe that could go to "b" (darkgrid protoss position for cycling) Sry I am just arguing with myself a bit too I put alot of training into my grid and I have to think about it if adapting or implementing DarkGrid 1.3 is realy worth it. I realy like the multiple unit control of Dargrid 1.3 for protoss and it seems to be realy fast. On the Other hand 1a2a3a is part of my blood -.- Regarding the cams in general having to press alt+ANYKEY also seems quite slow to me when it comes to base defense. As you don't reach alt +KEY in a few miliseconds (because its a keycombo), but you do with f1 to F4 (they're also feeling different on my keyboard). ps: I will try it out the next days asap (just try first) . Someone here from BW whos is / was realy into 1a2a3a and has hints for me how I can learn DarkGrid in this matter? I do play a dargelein's micro map from time to time which has a 1a2a3a4a training but I don't know atm if it's effective for this. Realy hoping you can give me a good arm there. I want to share a hint too. Here is how I trained my own grid. Do games vs AIs that you can beat easy with your current training (increase difficulty later). Have a checklist (like day9s), make notes about the hotkeys at each check point. Now go through the checklist (pylons ressources build-worker check army build army and so on) (btw this way you can enhance your mental checklist in addition) and use every hotkey you wrote down (important not to watch your bo and stuff just concentrate on the checkpoint and hotkey). At first you have to look on your paper, then you have to realy think what to do next, then it gets easier, you can start to make it automatically but not too fast, then faster. The easy AI helps getting into all the stuff while cheering you up knochking on your front door. Later on you can use military drill (starts with fast reading and ends with self-pressure), a friend via teamspeak would be optimal giving very fast commands... No matter how fast you want to play don't forget your checklist and hotkeys although it is slower at first. You can do this in smaller steps to be perfect. First only train the macro checklist and hotkeys. Next train the military and hotkeys... You can do single macro things first (but in a single match.. else it wold be too easy) You can add looking at your minimap between every checkpoint (foxymayhem gave a good advanced excersise for that with your friend..) - This way you train your musical instruments too what would be impossible otherwise (yes im playing guitar), mentioning the guitar I want to add that large distances between keys are not always slower but they're harder to train for and less flexible. (like foxymayhem emphasized) pps: Ok tried it out a little. Actually you can't use shift-micro very well. Like 3 (colossi) back, shift, attack, and other groups, because ur hand is angled towards the inner of your keyboard (like advised and because of they hotkeys of course). My pinky is very agile already, never the less its quite difficult... Or am I doing something wrong? | ||
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Borskey
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I've got a question though (keep in mind that I am a total newbie, I played briefly over a year ago and am just getting back into SC2): First off, what's the actual difference between the T&P vs Z hotkey files? I plan to not only adapt to your new hotkeys but also learn Zerg and Protoss (which I've never played before) so I can play as random. Looking through I haven't been able to figure out what the difference between the two setups actually is. I mean mechanically as in which keys do what: I can see that you have different recommendations for how to make use of the control groups. Is there any reason I shouldn't just use the T&P hotkey file with Zerg as well? Also, is there any good reason why Q is attack? I've switched it to W as suggested in your Terran interview. I had to switch SCVs to Q though, because otherwise it overloads the keys for the Planetary Fortress. One last thing: any progress on those tutorial videos "That's so raven" is going to make? I don't have his youtube channel or anything. Edit: ok, real last thing: Do you know how "final" this setup is? I mean, is there stuff you're already thinking about changing, like making more use of mouse buttons? I made one modification: I bound my mousewheel click (I've got another button if that's inconvenient) to alt, because I find holding alt+ctrl kind of awkward sometimes. I hope these aren't stupid questions; it's just that you've obviously put a lot of thought into this and I don't want to screw up some subtlety that I didn't even notice. | ||
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Doomtrain2
Germany45 Posts
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