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BrassMonkey27
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada616 Posts
January 21 2012 04:01 GMT
#61
This a complete rip-off of spanishiwa, he was doing this on his stream two days ago.
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Firehawk277
Profile Joined August 2011
United States40 Posts
January 22 2012 04:28 GMT
#62
if you looked at the dates i posted this i came up with this months ago try reading before you say stupid shit like that
JoeAWESOME
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden1080 Posts
January 22 2012 04:43 GMT
#63
2 spines right when pool finishes seems like an overkill and this is not really a new build. Yes, it is safe vs everything but if you decide to scout you can scout a gas first you can "delay" the spine and drone instead
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JDub
Profile Joined December 2010
United States976 Posts
January 22 2012 04:46 GMT
#64
Have you considered building 2 roach warrens for speed + tunneling at the same time? It seems like if you're massing roaches it would be worth it
Firehawk277
Profile Joined August 2011
United States40 Posts
January 22 2012 05:25 GMT
#65
iv played around with the idea but i think that would be a dead give away if even remotely scouted
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
January 22 2012 05:37 GMT
#66
Dont know why this was bumped. Basically when i saw 2 spines as soon as pool finishes, i stopped reading. Sorry
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Firehawk277
Profile Joined August 2011
United States40 Posts
January 22 2012 06:07 GMT
#67
so your saying 1 extra spine compared to a standard build made you stop reading? are you that ignorant ?
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
January 23 2012 02:44 GMT
#68
On January 22 2012 15:07 Firehawk277 wrote:
so your saying 1 extra spine compared to a standard build made you stop reading? are you that ignorant ?

That is exactly why i stopped reading. Are you that ignorant that you think this build is any good?

(before we get into a hissy fit i want to make it clear that i am talking about top tier builds such as in the GSL, in the ladder use whatever the hell you want)
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Kajarn
Profile Joined September 2010
United States126 Posts
January 23 2012 03:39 GMT
#69
I feel you are far to paranoid at the start. 2 Spines and 2 queens Immediatley severly hampers your drone production at that time.

Instead I recommend you delay your second spine. This will help out your build as 2 spines are overkill against almost anything at that time.

Also, making 4 gysers + 2 Evos + Roach Warren + Macro hatch, is 8 drones dieing around the same time. Your will cripple your economy at that point. Try to find a way to spread out building all 8 buildings, atleast the macro hatch, evos and roach warren.


I feel if you fix both of these timings and smooth out your economy. You can get your timing to occur 1-2 min earlier.
LeGendzErg
Profile Joined January 2012
United States37 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 04:14:43
January 23 2012 03:59 GMT
#70
i dont understand this, why would u saturate all 4 gasses before saturating ur minerals when ur going for mineral heavy units, also why would u not get speed or spores after seeing that he was going some weird non hellion openeing, this could of easily been some king of marauder/hellion all in or marine/hellion drop with cloaked banchies that would of outright killed you, i really dont understand how this is even remotely fesible against a semi decent terran player
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Disarm22
Profile Joined January 2011
United States151 Posts
January 23 2012 04:24 GMT
#71
yeah...ive been doing a burrowed roach 1-1 or 2-2 timing follow-up to spanishiwa's ice fisher for a while now but i have had more success vs toss.
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zoRRolol
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden5 Posts
January 23 2012 07:10 GMT
#72
this build seem really weak from a terran point, scan, see roach, see noting else, mass banshees, take out queens, go to town on hatch and the panic-spores being thrown down, then win having the zerg tell you banshees are cheeze and being a nub etc kinda seem like the normal outcome, this build rely on the terran not making a single move before 10min, what if the terran reacts as any normal terran and go double fact only to siege outside ur base with 1 raven wich is no huge investment for immortal detection since ur queens cant reach farther then tanks obviously and roaches don't shoot up?

is it any way you can make this faster I'd say it will most sertenly catch many terrans off guard, but as of now it seem a single scan to see the silly amounts of roaches can even force a few BC's (LOL yes BC) to give you a hard time during the time T can expand and plant tanks and turrets all over while dropping due to the lack of mutas in the air.(mutas are prety good mmkay)

really creative build though.
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LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
February 20 2012 22:26 GMT
#73
This build is sneaky, don't get caught unprepared.

One thing though I think it relies quite a bit on the surprise element, if you dont do massive damage when you reveal the build you'll have difficultly holding 3rd/4th base probably and in really large numbers marine/medivac > roaches

definitely not something most Z's do, and not something I would recommend doing back to back in a bo3/bo5.
Firehawk277
Profile Joined August 2011
United States40 Posts
February 20 2012 23:13 GMT
#74
Yes exactly this build is ment for bo1 or the second game if ur up 1-0 in a bo3. Its just a good *surprise build* It can easily win you the game if your position is right. Also its not part of the meta game so ALOT of terrans will never see it coming. Thanks for all the feedback guys has helped the build alot.
EndOfLineTv
Profile Joined February 2011
United States741 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-20 23:51:07
February 20 2012 23:50 GMT
#75
Firehawk! You know I <3 you and this build. I'll add feedback for everyone else since we have talked about your build at some length.

It can be an excellent all in.

But I also think you can morph the build into long macro games with a few changes.
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