2 spines right when pool finishes seems like an overkill and this is not really a new build. Yes, it is safe vs everything but if you decide to scout you can scout a gas first you can "delay" the spine and drone instead

JDub

United States976 Posts

January 22 2012 04:46 GMT

#64

Have you considered building 2 roach warrens for speed + tunneling at the same time? It seems like if you're massing roaches it would be worth it

Firehawk277

United States40 Posts

January 22 2012 05:25 GMT

#65

iv played around with the idea but i think that would be a dead give away if even remotely scouted

firehand101

Australia3152 Posts

January 22 2012 05:37 GMT

#66

Dont know why this was bumped. Basically when i saw 2 spines as soon as pool finishes, i stopped reading. Sorry

Firehawk277

United States40 Posts

January 22 2012 06:07 GMT

#67

so your saying 1 extra spine compared to a standard build made you stop reading? are you that ignorant ?

firehand101

Australia3152 Posts

January 23 2012 02:44 GMT

#68

On January 22 2012 15:07 Firehawk277 wrote:
so your saying 1 extra spine compared to a standard build made you stop reading? are you that ignorant ?

That is exactly why i stopped reading. Are you that ignorant that you think this build is any good?

(before we get into a hissy fit i want to make it clear that i am talking about top tier builds such as in the GSL, in the ladder use whatever the hell you want)

Kajarn

United States126 Posts

January 23 2012 03:39 GMT

#69

I feel you are far to paranoid at the start. 2 Spines and 2 queens Immediatley severly hampers your drone production at that time.

Instead I recommend you delay your second spine. This will help out your build as 2 spines are overkill against almost anything at that time.

Also, making 4 gysers + 2 Evos + Roach Warren + Macro hatch, is 8 drones dieing around the same time. Your will cripple your economy at that point. Try to find a way to spread out building all 8 buildings, atleast the macro hatch, evos and roach warren.

I feel if you fix both of these timings and smooth out your economy. You can get your timing to occur 1-2 min earlier.

LeGendzErg

United States37 Posts

January 23 2012 03:59 GMT

#70

i dont understand this, why would u saturate all 4 gasses before saturating ur minerals when ur going for mineral heavy units, also why would u not get speed or spores after seeing that he was going some weird non hellion openeing, this could of easily been some king of marauder/hellion all in or marine/hellion drop with cloaked banchies that would of outright killed you, i really dont understand how this is even remotely fesible against a semi decent terran player

Disarm22

United States151 Posts

January 23 2012 04:24 GMT

#71

yeah...ive been doing a burrowed roach 1-1 or 2-2 timing follow-up to spanishiwa's ice fisher for a while now but i have had more success vs toss.

zoRRolol

Sweden5 Posts

January 23 2012 07:10 GMT

#72

this build seem really weak from a terran point, scan, see roach, see noting else, mass banshees, take out queens, go to town on hatch and the panic-spores being thrown down, then win having the zerg tell you banshees are cheeze and being a nub etc kinda seem like the normal outcome, this build rely on the terran not making a single move before 10min, what if the terran reacts as any normal terran and go double fact only to siege outside ur base with 1 raven wich is no huge investment for immortal detection since ur queens cant reach farther then tanks obviously and roaches don't shoot up?

is it any way you can make this faster I'd say it will most sertenly catch many terrans off guard, but as of now it seem a single scan to see the silly amounts of roaches can even force a few BC's (LOL yes BC) to give you a hard time during the time T can expand and plant tanks and turrets all over while dropping due to the lack of mutas in the air.(mutas are prety good mmkay)

really creative build though.

LuckyFool

United States9015 Posts

February 20 2012 22:26 GMT

#73

This build is sneaky, don't get caught unprepared.

One thing though I think it relies quite a bit on the surprise element, if you dont do massive damage when you reveal the build you'll have difficultly holding 3rd/4th base probably and in really large numbers marine/medivac > roaches

definitely not something most Z's do, and not something I would recommend doing back to back in a bo3/bo5.

Firehawk277

United States40 Posts

February 20 2012 23:13 GMT

#74

Yes exactly this build is ment for bo1 or the second game if ur up 1-0 in a bo3. Its just a good *surprise build* It can easily win you the game if your position is right. Also its not part of the meta game so ALOT of terrans will never see it coming. Thanks for all the feedback guys has helped the build alot.

EndOfLineTv

United States741 Posts

February 20 2012 23:50 GMT

#75

Firehawk! You know I <3 you and this build. I'll add feedback for everyone else since we have talked about your build at some length.

It can be an excellent all in.

But I also think you can morph the build into long macro games with a few changes.

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