The Terran Help Me Thread - Page 233

On May 28 2012 10:23 bbrian wrote:
This might be a general question but not thread worthy... how exactly do I scout? I've made Masters but I realized that my scouting level is Bronze

On May 28 2012 10:23 bbrian wrote:
This might be a general question but not thread worthy... how exactly do I scout? I've made Masters but I realized that my scouting level is Bronze

On May 28 2012 23:31 Chaggi wrote:
I've been working in bunker rushes to my build and just wondering how other people do it. I feel like pros and other really good players get it up a lot but I'm not sure why mine doesn't work as well

1-2 scvs? rally marines?

On May 28 2012 06:26 dohgg wrote:
I wanna talk about the current metagame TvZ, and will be looking for any pros/master thoughts about it.

There has been a very popular 1 rax FE into hellions and into banshees lateron - i was thinking about mixing 1 raven (instead of 2ed banshee, not getting cloak, but getting HSM upgrde instead).

I m not talking about a HUGE Raven compostion or mech heavy compostion that evolves ravens many times - i m just talking bout 1 raven that will be produced after the 1st banshee. and his role during that game (ofc with the detection abilty) will be to land that 1 cruical seeker missle on that 1 cruical big 160 engagement.

Let me summurize it abit - getting 1 raven, with HSM upgrdes insatead of the more normal 2ed banshee and cloak that usally comes with that build.

Any thoughts?

sorry for bad english..

On May 29 2012 00:51 HeroMystic wrote:


I'm assuming this is with the standard Marine/Tank composition.

Ravens have been getting a lot more love from players like Thorzain, as they absolutely murder Broodlords with HSM. However you usually see 8 or 9 of them in the lategame. I'm assuming from your perspective you'll be relying on 1 HSM before hive tech comes out, as just one HSM would be quite ineffective against Broodlord/Infestor.

I'll get this out of the way and say this would be really good against Mutaling. Mutas cannot handle one HSM hit and still be an effective defense. However, I can't see this working all that well with an Infestor-based build (most likely Ling/Infestor/Ultra). Quite simply, the range on HSM is abyssmal, and the only "crucial" seeker missile hit that would matter is landing on a bunch of banelings. Upgraded marines and tanks won't really care about Zerglings, and HSM is pretty bad vs Ultras. I'd actually prefer to get Ghosts to EMP/Snipe Infestors.

So vs Mutaling I'd say go for it. But vs Infestor builds I don't see HSM mattering much.

On May 29 2012 02:36 dohgg wrote:
First of all - i wanna make things more clear - I am talking about a 1 Rax FE into hellions into banshee - this build is quite famous as it been used many times by MKP and MMA.

Well the general idea is that with the 1 rax FE into hellions into banshees u do get a tech labbed starport - the banshee role in that aspect is to give you that mid game map control and is very useful vs holding non-lair aggresions.
The general idea stands behind getting 2 banshee vs non-lair aggresion that allows you to 1 shot banes as a defensive prespect , and to 1 shot drone as an offensive prespect.

But after i gave a little bit of thought to that , was wondering why not abusing that period of time when you have a tech-lab on a starport, and instead of going into a very expansvie cloak upgrade, which zergs dont even know if you got it or not, and will probably get overseer / make spores anyway. get 1 raven and HSM upgrde instead of the 2ed banshee.

Another thing is that you will have enough energy for HSM for about 100%, since you get that raven pretty early before your first push. and yeah, i think the main role of that one HSM will be to deal with that swarm of banlings... dont you guys think that this 1 blast will be game changing and might worth it? instead of cloak.

On May 29 2012 02:57 PachaL wrote:



The problem is that you're banking on one good HSM hit, what if you miss? IMO 2 banshees would be better, but you could skip cloak if you wanted to, and get into some faster tanks/upgrades. That being said i would still get a raven at somepoint to help control creep.

On May 29 2012 04:36 dohgg wrote:


Why u stating its a something that i bank on? i think going cloak banshee and thworing 200/200 only to see a zerg ready with an overseer and 5 queens is much more of a "gamble" or "something that u bank on" , much more then reasearching HSM.

Just adding a vibale route of tech that can help you much more then a another banshee "pew pew"ing in battle... imo

On May 29 2012 07:12 Sergio1992 wrote:
so, do I just go 1 rax fe now on Tvz? Reactor hellion is complete shit? does anyone still 2 rax fe against zergs?

On May 29 2012 10:02 ClassicThunder wrote:
Hey after MC Bomber final I've been running Into Protoss players using the warp prism to elevator past my bunkers when they're doing a 3 gate robo attack. This has killed me every time I have done a FE and I've only managed to hold it once and I did a 4 rax defensively (so basically had to do a defensive all in including pulling SCVs).

I was hoping to hear from more experienced players how to deal with this. I've Always survived early Protoss pressure when FEing by building 2-3 bunker and repairing them. Now that they can bypass the bunkers I'M having a Really hard time early game.

Also I'm currently silver but the game mentioned I was playing a gold player.

On May 29 2012 07:23 Pokebunny wrote:
1rax fe into hellion is my standard, though i still sometimes 2rax on entombed and ohana

On May 29 2012 09:10 iAmJeffReY wrote:
My TvZ is still on point, even with patch doing demuslim like opening. You can go into anything, with 1 reactor, 1 tech lab, 3 rax 1 fac and 2 OCs.