EPTAnd you're able to apply some early pressure that can:
- give you an immediate victory
- delay zerg third
- or at least force unit production instead of droning.
Only problem: require pro-level micro
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Buzzo
58 Posts
And you're able to apply some early pressure that can: - give you an immediate victory - delay zerg third - or at least force unit production instead of droning. Only problem: require pro-level micro | ||
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ChickenLips
2912 Posts
In the recent LG tournament 2 Protosses threw this style at DongRaeGu in the Ro4 and Ro8 respectively, TSL.Smart and IMYonghwa (PvZ trainings partner for NesTea) did the same 2 base blink stalker stuff, they did it in the most abusive way possible, staying on 2 base till the 20 minute mark. DRG managed to take both series 2-1, imo the most reliable way to play against this is Creep-Roach-Hydra with a quick +2 Ranged. Yeah, Infestors are good, but you need a ton of spines to defend 6gates and the like, which makes mid-game transitions iffy. I also disagree with Mark  Pretty much any 2base Stargate opening allows Zerg to get to 50-60 drones very comfortably and 3 base incase he responds correctly. Hydras are good against Blink Stalkers if there's something in front of them + they are on creep. Stargate also makes the Twilight Tech much worse. You force Spores that make any DT transition way less powerful and Hydras are decent defensively vs Blink Stalkers. Yeah Storm is good against Hydras, but noone does a high-templar mid-game against Zerg, because it's pretty crappy. | ||
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Arcanefrost
Belgium1257 Posts
On June 23 2011 02:36 Anihc wrote: I'm also starting to love blink stalker play more and more in PvZ. My variation on this is slightly different though, but I think it helps with the 2 main weaknesses of this build: fast 3rd and mass ling followed by infestors. What I do is open with a FFE into really fast 6 gate +1 zealots. I still get all 4 gases though to start building up that gas supply. As soon as I warp in my first 6 zealots, I attack (or poke), while starting my TC back at home. A fast 3rd by the zerg gets into trouble by this, especially if all they have are lings. If they are able to fend it off easily with roach/ling, then it just means they haven't made enough drones to even make use out of their 3rd, and you're probably ahead on economy. When the TC goes up I chrono blink and switch to stalker production, unless they've stayed purely on lings. I don't get any sentries. With the saved up gas I also tech to HT. I feel that the early zealots are great because it forces more roaches (which is fine for you when you get blink stalker), and also it gives you more gas to get more HTs to combat infestors better. They actually do open 6gate+1zealot in quite some games for these exact reasons. I'm still kind of new to that(read: I suck at it) and I'm trying to find optimal timings, so I decided to write down the old version (which is still good imo). I'll update the OP in the next couple of days because I'm liking your version a lot so far  This isn't chinese PvZ, this is a knock-off of what Protosses have been in doing in Korea for the past months. Go watch MC vs July on Shakuras, that game is now more than 3 months old and back then MC did the same stuff, FE into heavy attack upgraded blink stalker. "Knock-off of what protosses have been doing in Korea for the past months" would have been a great title for sure, and would have been more accurate, but "Chinese PvZ" is just a little bit more catchy in my opinion. <3 They have refined it and they are the best at it, so it's Chinese to me DRG managed to take both series 2-1, imo the most reliable way to play against this is Creep-Roach-Hydra with a quick +2 Ranged. Yeah, Infestors are good, but you need a ton of spines to defend 6gates and the like, which makes mid-game transitions iffy. Yea, I agree. Especially staying at equal attack upgrades is really important for zerg. | ||
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Dattish
Sweden6297 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
On June 23 2011 00:07 CrownRoyal wrote: "stalkers are meant to tank" LOL Man, blink stalkers never friggin die. They take some damage and get blunked to the back of the pack. Without infestors or a lot of speedlings vs a mediocre # of stalkers, you can't actually stay damaging the stalkers long enough to kill them. Shield upgrades would actually be quite good on them, too. Since they always take that shield damage, then you blink them back. | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
The biggest difference I think today is the better unit control, more refined builds, and the increased usage of DTs mid to late game. However; this style of play vs Z is nothing new. The counter to this was +2 attack Ling heavy into Ultra play, which isn't seen that often anymore because P's have been utilizing alot of anti-Ling stuff like Sentry heavy armies, Colossus deathballs, etc. In fact, Blink Stalker play was actually the most popular style of playing PvZ until people realized how hilarious it was that Z armies couldn't do jack diddly squat vs Colossus/Sentry balls (GSL 1 and 2 showed alot of that, particularly the game Idra lost to some no name P whose name escapes me). On June 23 2011 00:25 tuestresfat wrote: Stalkers can't tank for shit. They have below average dps that scales terribly with upgrades. Their greatest asset is their mobility. Stalker DPS is about average; where they excel is their ability to always have a superior concave no matter what the circumstances unless you make a severe mistake in positioning/scouting. That's why Blink Stalkers > Hydras. Stalkers can "pseudo" tank in that with Blink their survivability goes through the roof with proper unit control. | ||
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beute
Germany197 Posts
how do you approach that? | ||
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Mych
10 Posts
Lings do great against stalkers and fungal growth could definetely do tons of damage to the stalkers and take out their ability to blink. I would also add something else to kill lings more effectively, like colossus or high templar/zealots. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
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MooLen
Germany501 Posts
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Sajaki
Canada1135 Posts
On June 23 2011 06:25 MooLen wrote: I think this is nice but you dont have to claim on a "build" for this, you just have to transition to it at the midgame like "AbuseyourDNA" did in the Idra game... AbuseYourDNA is an alias for StarTale Ace. Just throwing that out there. Also i've been using the build for the past few days, and it has been working VERY well.... only lost twice in 20+ games vs zerg with it ^^ 1350 diamond | ||
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Jombozeus
China1014 Posts
On June 23 2011 06:07 Blasterion wrote: I feel banelings and infestor fare far superior to zerglings and infestors when attacking stalkers. They just melt anything in a group xiaOt said in the event that happens, just mix in archons + dts. | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
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lilky
United States131 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On June 23 2011 06:44 lilky wrote: I have tried mass blink stalker in PvZ with absolutely horrendous results. Possibly one of the worst possible strategies. Lings, roaches, hydras, infestors, and ultralisks all wreck stalkers while being extremely cost effective. Thanks for the write-up, but going mass blink stalker would be a regression in the metagame. Then you are probably doing it wrong. There are a good number that are having great success of this. Abusing the Blinker's surivalbility is very important. | ||
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JGlory
2 Posts
One question, can you guys suggest the exact amount of stalkers that works best at blink for you? For me, I found that more than a dozen and they will become a problem, but that's just me. | ||
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iChau
United States1210 Posts
On June 23 2011 06:07 Blasterion wrote: I feel banelings and infestor fare far superior to zerglings and infestors when attacking stalkers. They just melt anything in a group Just blink a stalker into a group of banelings and watch how many banelings become wasted. I suggest this to everyone.. whenever you're playing against ling/bling/infestor, try to blink a stalker right on top of a group of banelings (if they're not using drop yet). | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On June 23 2011 06:31 Sajaki wrote: AbuseYourDNA is an alias for StarTale Ace. Just throwing that out there. Also i've been using the build for the past few days, and it has been working VERY well.... only lost twice in 20+ games vs zerg with it ^^ 1350 diamond It's actually the name that Grubby used to ladder under back in his WC3 days. Having said that ... no, I have no idea who actually owns the account. I'd been assuming that xiaOt just borrowed it from Grubby to play IdrA on the NA server, but, uhhh, guess Ace has been using it too? | ||
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Sajaki
Canada1135 Posts
On June 23 2011 11:02 babylon wrote: It's actually the name that Grubby used to ladder under back in his WC3 days. Having said that ... no, I have no idea who actually owns the account. I'd been assuming that xiaOt just borrowed it from Grubby to play IdrA on the NA server, but, uhhh, guess Ace has been using it too? Very possible that its being used by multiple people. I've seen Ace use it in... I think StarsWar vs. Sjow. | ||
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AKA.
76 Posts
This is not to say its not a good build, but it might be a BO loss to ling+infestor into bling ultra. | ||
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