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Xaeldaren
Profile Joined June 2010
Ireland588 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 14:26:46
July 22 2011 14:02 GMT
#181
How do you deal with a Roach all-in with this build?

Here's a replay of me (admittedly poorly) executing this build and just losing hard:

http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/22-07-11/133950-Xael-VS-Rosenlund.html

My building placement as awful and my gateway timing was off, but what else did I do wrong? I'm in Silver, for reference.
Huntz
Profile Joined July 2011
164 Posts
July 22 2011 15:26 GMT
#182
Attack is a lot better, stalkers with +2 or +3 are insanely good. Shield is expensive and doesn't really add much because you don't want to tank with your stalkers.


I was wondering about this, I always go +3 attack first, but after that would shields be better? I suppose armor might be since its cheaper and you'll be past the pure blink stalker stage by then, but still.
ForTheDr3am
Profile Joined November 2010
842 Posts
July 22 2011 17:41 GMT
#183
On July 23 2011 00:26 Huntz wrote:
Show nested quote +
Attack is a lot better, stalkers with +2 or +3 are insanely good. Shield is expensive and doesn't really add much because you don't want to tank with your stalkers.


I was wondering about this, I always go +3 attack first, but after that would shields be better? I suppose armor might be since its cheaper and you'll be past the pure blink stalker stage by then, but still.


Depends on what you have transitioned into, but usually Shields are much better in the late game. The only unit that profits more from Armor than Stealth is the Zealot (and robo units, I guess), of which you won't have a lot in the endgame, except for harass and against Lingheavy compositions. On the other side, shields are especially great for Archons and air units, so I'd take Shields over Armor in the lategame in most situations.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
July 22 2011 17:52 GMT
#184
Why are there so detailed, kick ass guides for protoss, yet none for terran or zerg
It's so tempting to switch to protoss for this strat, everything is already written and nothing is more easy and satisfying then playing 100 games using an already perfected strategy to make it yours, especially when it's so fun to use! Envy!
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Ada
Profile Joined October 2004
Germany150 Posts
July 22 2011 20:40 GMT
#185
On July 23 2011 02:52 OutlaW- wrote:
Why are there so detailed, kick ass guides for protoss, yet none for terran or zerg


Obviously us Protoss need them most!!

jk
Xaeldaren
Profile Joined June 2010
Ireland588 Posts
July 27 2011 18:19 GMT
#186
How do you guys feel about transitioning into fast DTs to deny expansions/claim map control?

PvZ is my worst matchup and I always feel under pressure and unable to secure a third or fourth due to massive aggression, DTs might alleviate that by forcing the Zerg to be a little more cautious or passive? It's the same logic as Phoenix harass, only it makes far more sense because of the fast Twilight Council.

BoondockVeritas
Profile Joined August 2010
United States191 Posts
July 31 2011 07:49 GMT
#187
okay i'm going to get some serious hate for this, but i've taken this build and changed it to more of huks 13 gate, but still on high ground like here. with the 13 gate, though its only happened twice, if you find a hatch first and wall them in and cannon it, you can double zergs everything and win so easy its awesome. granted i'm diamond and terribad, its awesome i love some revenge on zergs getting super greedy.
NA server Veritas.414, KR server Bullet.382. 지지요!
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
August 01 2011 08:56 GMT
#188
I tired this style for the first time today, I'm totally in love with it.
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L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
August 01 2011 09:02 GMT
#189
really good write up, will try this on the ladder : )
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
YoureFired
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States822 Posts
August 01 2011 09:45 GMT
#190
This build wrecks unsuspecting zergs with the combined force of blink stalker harass and DT transitions. Makes PvZ much less of the turtle-until-you-have-a-lot-of-colossi, which is great.
ted cruz is the zodiac killer
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