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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On May 27 2011 09:22 CrayonKing wrote: Any have a link the replay? Just a quick question from T perspective, how did MKP engage the army? stim first and then 2 emps? who are you targetting? stalkers/sentrys? http://www.gomtv.net/2011super1/vod/65423 (free to watch) | ||
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rmAmnesiac
United Kingdom185 Posts
On May 27 2011 08:20 LoneWolf.Alpha wrote: problem is, in early game, terran can scout protoss with scan or floating rax, but toss can't scout terran. so toss wont know if terran is getting ghosts or what, but terran can tailor his build to whatever. that is the problem i always run into time and time again in PvT. Terran can customize his build order during the game, but toss is always on the back foot unless he gets robo observer. but i honestly prefer fast HT over fast collosus. and why is that exactly? 1 gate robo adapt gets observer to his base incredibly fast. or perhpas you haven't heard of this unit before? | ||
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NuclearStar
United Kingdom57 Posts
Even if there is a colossus out, there wont be many, and usually thermal lance wont be done by that time. I guess I have a 90% win ratio against that particular composition. I think I only lose when I make some big EMP mistakes. But protoss should definatly get it in their head that 3gate robo expand is NOT the safest opening agaisnt the 2 ghost push. | ||
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Akaann
Switzerland82 Posts
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Q8_Devil
United Kingdom63 Posts
Does this build works against a 4-Gate Push? protoss will 4 gate before this attack happenm if u survived with good eco you will win anyway. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
So the answer is : it depends :p One rax expand can defend a 4 gates if you don't tech at all (or if you tech but do not lift your CC and fight at your ramp with tanks), if you have enough bunkers, if you don't cut rax units... I think it's a good thing to train this build like 10+ times, until your are at least comfortable executing it, then you have it in your arsenal and use it if you scout a nexus first (and perhaps a one gate expo, and even perhaps a 3 gates expo, I don't know). | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On May 27 2011 09:38 Severus_ wrote:Things i think will work vs this is stargate openings.fast colossus.blink stalker allin and even some kinda of DT cuz he will have to waste emps on DTs and make his army more inefficient without does emps. I doubt any kind of DT would work. You notice that the army is a little gas dry. Hmm you think, I better save a scan on EACH of my OCs just in case. Oh a shimmer. Scan, DT dead. Weaker than usual gateway army emp'd and dead. Blink stalker I cannot comment on because I do not know the specific timing, whether it would come before or after MKPs attack did Fast colossus discussed already stargate would be strong but would require intense micro. Personally, I love any strategy that incorporates ghosts into a role heavier than countering high templar. | ||
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Serashin
235 Posts
a clearly improvement if you know already that probes pulling is somewhat bad to the push itself and there is no splash , just pull scvs out of terran view u gotta see it always how good pushes are if you add a splash non existent factor aswell meaning ur scvs will be your steamroll heros (or you can call it using bitbybit.prime mindset) | ||
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TrickyGilligan
United States641 Posts
On May 28 2011 01:27 Serashin wrote: to the point improvments to the build i gotta add: a clearly improvement if you know already that probes pulling is somewhat bad to the push itself and there is no splash , just pull scvs out of terran view u gotta see it always how good pushes are if you add a splash non existent factor aswell meaning ur scvs will be your steamroll heros (or you can call it using bitbybit.prime mindset) Interesting point, but have you really been far as decided to use even go want to do look more like? | ||
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copacetic
56 Posts
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naventus
United States1337 Posts
Only reason I can think of is that he's doing that build to blind counter Squirtle's play style. | ||
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sereniity
Sweden1159 Posts
On May 28 2011 01:27 Serashin wrote: to the point improvments to the build i gotta add: a clearly improvement if you know already that probes pulling is somewhat bad to the push itself and there is no splash , just pull scvs out of terran view u gotta see it always how good pushes are if you add a splash non existent factor aswell meaning ur scvs will be your steamroll heros (or you can call it using bitbybit.prime mindset) brb, deciphering no but really, what? | ||
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MLG_Wiggin
United States767 Posts
On May 28 2011 02:00 naventus wrote: Can someone explain how/why he skips ebay until much much later timing? All he knows is that P is 1base, yet he doesn't prepare against stuff like DT. Only reason I can think of is that he's doing that build to blind counter Squirtle's play style. If you scout an FE you can delay your ebay. The 6:30ish ebay timing is for fastest possible DTs. | ||
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GHOSTGrim
United States4 Posts
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Grndr101
Belgium125 Posts
Low level T, btw. TvP is my least stable matchup. | ||
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Scila
Canada1849 Posts
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LicH.
China235 Posts
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Serge89
Belgium38 Posts
Any idea ? | ||
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1nMack1
Canada88 Posts
Those protoss will get wrecked by this push. Vs a protoss playing safely you can't hit at this time. So you need to at least check what he is doing, because colo will wreck you later if you let him rush for them. I'd include the poke in the build order, if you don't include it you're just praying that he's not rushing for colos and i've had so many players do this vs me that I would say missing this opporunity to kill them is a gigantic hole. | ||
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