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Tvk
Latvia62 Posts
When Im cannon walled, I mostly try to do 1-base allin with lings+nydus, however it stopped to work :/ actually it dont work anymore at all on mine MMR (middle-masters ~900+pts). Any viable tactic, preferable with short BO, so I could test it out in customs with different scenarios would be appreciated  Ty for reply. | ||
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Keilah
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aka_star
United Kingdom1546 Posts
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Outlawrawrmoser
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Tvk
Latvia62 Posts
 Theres also a 90% chance of voidray rush after cannon wall :/ that makes 1base mass roaches useless. | ||
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Keilah
731 Posts
spine overlord at edge of base hydra den hydras immediately go bust down his wall expand ???? profit | ||
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Flaunt
New Zealand784 Posts
On May 24 2011 10:10 Keilah wrote: lair spine overlord at edge of base hydra den hydras immediately go bust down his wall expand ???? profit Most Protoss players know you're doing this and will just blind counter, lol. 3 Drones>the pylon when it drops. Don't cancel your hatch and just don't overreact to it. You only need 3 drones to take down the middle pylon and your lings clean up the rest. The reason this works a lot at the low level is because a lot of Z players do what Keilah said and tech, go nydus or mass a lot of roach to bust out of it. All of these are wrong and protoss players are wanting you to do these things. | ||
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Dr.DoCToR
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MoreFaSho
United States1427 Posts
On May 24 2011 10:14 Flaunt wrote: Most Protoss players know you're doing this and will just blind counter, lol. 3 Drones>the pylon when it drops. Don't cancel your hatch and just don't overreact to it. You only need 3 drones to take down the middle pylon and your lings clean up the rest. The reason this works a lot at the low level is because a lot of Z players do what Keilah said and tech, go nydus or mass a lot of roach to bust out of it. All of these are wrong and protoss players are wanting you to do these things. Don't follow this guy's advice. He's wrong. Slush lost to this without going hatch first in NASL and he's not "low level" like this guy is suggesting. | ||
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Keilah
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Zeroes
United States1102 Posts
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Phay
55 Posts
Dealing with the first pylon is by far the best. Lost mining time is about as bad as the money either tied up or lost from the early pylon at your ramp. If that fails, I've had the most success with getting a fast roach warren and pushing out when you have enough to lose 1 or no roaches, then pressuring. Maybe add in sling speed if the wall is larger. Expand at your natural behind you attack. | ||
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Chimpalimp
United States1135 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
Personally I've been doing hydra-ling. They aren't going to have colossi out! Lings tank, hydras shred everything. I really do like an in-base hatch vs this nonsense, though. Edit: it occurs to me to have the drop done at a reasonable time you need that in base hatch to upgrade speed while you upgrade drop. (start drop first) This build puts them super far behind in tech, since their gateway starts 450 minerals late. I think the reason you don't see this anymore since the change to have it require 3 cannons instead of 2 is because of responses like this. (which were already viable against the 2 pylon + 1 cannon contain) Edit2: creeping to your ramp and then poking yourself out with a spine takes AGES. Literally, even if you build the spine and just have it root in range once creep gets there. If you're waiting to take the ground route out, not only does the toss get alarm bells going off that you're busting out, but he's got extra time while you do this. | ||
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Scriptix
United States145 Posts
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Keilah
731 Posts
I don't really get how sending drones to kill a pylon will help. The protoss makes 3 pylons and a cannon, the cannon will still be powered and killing your stuff if you try to take it out. Super easy for the protoss to send another probe or two to help defend the cannon if he sees you pounding on the pylon with drones (presumably so your lings can get out and barely kill the cannon), or build another cannon + cancel it if not needed, and/or rebuild the pylon after you kill it. re: 4gate >> hydras, like I said an overlord will tell you if he expanded or not. If he expanded, your hydras are fine. If not, I don't really know for sure but I'd wager hydra/ling or roach/hydra or pure roach or burrow roach will all do fine vs 4gate, 1base vs 1base, when you consider the resources protoss wasted at the start of the game. | ||
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Keilah
731 Posts
On May 24 2011 10:36 sylverfyre wrote: Edit2: creeping to your ramp and then poking yourself out with a spine takes AGES. Literally, even if you build the spine and just have it root in range once creep gets there. If you're waiting to take the ground route out, not only does the toss get alarm bells going off that you're busting out, but he's got extra time while you do this. Were you hoping to fool the protoss into thinking you'd never try to bust out? BTW, if you go drop or nydus you still need lair so your overlord can poop creep at the ramp and you need a spine to defend so you break down the wall with a spine regardless. | ||
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zJayy962
1363 Posts
Holding an all-in is just a matter of scouting. | ||
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
you're behind, but you're not dead. | ||
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Jacko11
China146 Posts
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