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Koruptor
38 Posts
It's my 3rd game like that. Terran went 1/1/1 (from which point he can go anywhere) and then goes mass Thor. At about 14 minute mark I counter after his failed attack just to get whole stalker army anihilated by 5 thors repaired by SCVs. Please give me some tips how to stop terran playing like this. Sure I can see - I didnt killed his gold, should get 3rd earlier and I should have get templars when my gas went above 1k. Maybe I need some general tips against T? replay here | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
[ 17 mins ] AkiRa » ?' [ 17 mins ] Koruptor » 5 thors and fucking kill whole my army [ 30 mins ] Koruptor » cant win against thors [ 31 mins ] Koruptor » sorry but terran is fucking shit [ 31 mins ] AkiRa » probably [ 31 mins ] Koruptor » cant do nothing against them [ 31 mins ] Koruptor » gg why so bm bro Feedback once again works wonders against thors. Templars would have done you great justice. | ||
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Koruptor
38 Posts
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xAPOCALYPSEx
1418 Posts
"Once you are ahead, get more ahead" You completely mauled his first attack, killed everything except a thor and a medivac. At that point, there would be virtually no danger in taking a third, since your advantage is so big. Just try to deny any attempt of his to get back into the game by expanding again, and just sit on your advantage and let it grow. It was unwise to suicide your army into 4 scv-repaired thors. You let him get back into the game by trading your entire army for 3 thors  Sometimes you just should sit on your advantage when you crush an attack, especially against a terran. Terran is pretty tough to break as protoss until you get in a lot of those beefy units (immortals, chargelots, templar, colossus). Also, after the first failed attack by him, I would expand and start upgrades, maybe even throw down two forges, since immortals with ground wep upgrades completely murder thors, especially since the new nerf to thors. | ||
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SDnNs
United States24 Posts
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Draq
Poland14 Posts
 Now you dont need 2 immortals on 1 thor to do any damage:D | ||
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asmo.0
Norway318 Posts
Thors take forever to walk across the map and require scv's to be pulled, so friggin play defensively and get ahead economically, focus on making tons of workers and expansion, and make more production facilities than you "technically" need at that moment, so you can swing forth to get that critical mass thats required to take out repaired terran mech units. | ||
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ODKStevez
Ireland1225 Posts
On May 15 2011 17:47 Koruptor wrote: Hi, I'm platinum Protoss player It's my 3rd game like that. Terran went 1/1/1 (from which point he can go anywhere) and then goes mass Thor. At about 14 minute mark I counter after his failed attack just to get whole stalker army anihilated by 5 thors repaired by SCVs. Please give me some tips how to stop terran playing like this. Sure I can see - I didnt killed his gold, should get 3rd earlier and I should have get templars when my gas went above 1k. Maybe I need some general tips against T? replay here Ouch at the bm lol. On a serious note, templars are doing great vs Thors atm since they now use energy once again. | ||
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Mowr
Sweden791 Posts
On May 15 2011 20:35 ODKStevez wrote: Ouch at the bm lol. On a serious note, templars are doing great vs Thors atm since they now use energy once again. This. HT:s will kill all the SCV:s with storm and completely shut down strike cannons. It also gives you tech for chargelots which are great against thors. | ||
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TheOracle
Australia256 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
Target: keep down the marine count and harass his techlabs/workers. If his thors are alone force a worker pull with your stalkers (hit and run>thors have to crouch to fire) Attacking thors force worker pulls or they just die to stalkers if the marines are out of position. A viking switch will hinder the thor production and gives yout time for the templar tech. Keeping his thors alive while you harass will really hinder his economy, so you should slowly get ahead. If you stay in your base you have a problem. at some point you can just kill the marines and if you have 3 voidrays left they can kill 5 thors easily. Otherwise colossi can kite thors, but your probably not early enough to fight of that many thors. especially if they take a drop ship along. not sure if fast immortals and hts work, a good terran would just wear down shields with marines while they would lift thors with a medivac in the back row if they are damage. And attack before storm gets dangerouse. | ||
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antz0r
Australia168 Posts
It usually has to do with poor scouting, poor army control, poor army composition, getting caught out of position or poor macro. I think the same applies in your case. I find when I go thor marine, I hate it when toss goes immortal chargelot, into DT. Or they get sneaky and do a warp prism drop in the back of my base and since I have thors it takes forever to get back there since my army is camped at the natural. You were close air positions on metalopolis, and that was a definite possibility. | ||
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junemermaid
United States981 Posts
Choose two of the three. | ||
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Slayalisk
United States19 Posts
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Hoshizake
United States26 Posts
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AKspartan
United States126 Posts
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IzieBoy
United States865 Posts
they don't even counter banshees... one PDD and yea XD even collosus, "designed to destroy large numbers of weaker ground targets," could have kited those thors all day (9 range to 7) scvs woulda gotten splashed too by the thermal lances EDIT: i guess this is why they nerfed thors lol XD | ||
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gejfsyd
Poland156 Posts
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resilve
United Kingdom678 Posts
If you were going the heavy-stalker route you should be upgrading and getting council anyway - so HTs are not a difficult target to reach. Likewise a few charge zealots can be very nice. I dont like void rays against thors at all, they seem very ineffective. If there are tanks mixed in it gets more tricky because zealots tend to clump and take a lot of aoe damage. With robo tech the standard toss-ball actually does pretty well against mech armies, assuming your macro is equal with theirs, you just have to engage any tanks in a favourable position. With observers you should be able to poke around where his tank/thor is not and deny him bases and punish his immobility, what is especially nice is obs-spotting when he moves his tank lines and engage when they arent in seige mode. On May 15 2011 23:43 gejfsyd wrote: VR, Carrier, Zealot, Immortal, Templar(to fb and kill scvs), (in big numbers)collosus all counter thors rather cost effectively Im actually not a fan of carriers or voids - I dont know how they work out in smaller numbers - say 5 thors and 3 carriers - but in the stupid 4v4 massing games thors seem to destroy armoured air units - and their aoe ranged attack can be quite nice against interceptors and clumps of voids, especially with it's range. | ||
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
Honestly I don't get why Protoss players don't go for Templar every game, in between Storm and Feedback, they beat large amounts of low tech/low health units(Marines/Marauders) as well as shutting down high tech energy units (Banshees, Ravens, Battlecruisers, Medivacs, as well Thors now with the most recent patch). The only ways that Terran can beat them is either Ghosts or Hellions. Against both of them so long as you protect your Templar, the Terran really cannot do much. As long as the Protoss player doesn't make some mistake such as leaving their Templar extremely vulnerable so that the Terran is able to land a big EMP or attack with Blue Flame Hellions and kill off a bunch of your Templar. Personally, I don't get why Protosses still insist upon going mass Colossi, as it is vulnerable to Vikings. Perhaps it's the appeal of an A-Move unit, but who knows? But anyways, I would say that the best way of defeating Thors since the patch is just to rely on High Templar/Immortal. The High Templar make it so that the Terran either has to get rid of their energy EMPing their own Thors making them vulnerable to your Immortals, or if they attempt to engage your Immortals with Strike Cannons you feedback them. Even if he manages to get off a few Cannons on your Immortals, you just simply have to have as many Immortals as he has Thors (maybe a few more than he has Thors). If he comes with a lot of SCVs the best way to deal with the massive repair is to storm on the SCVs (this will both weaken the SCVs and possibly weaken the repair, as if they try to repair each other they're not repairing the Thors, but if the Terran isn't auto-casting repair that won't happen). Another way is to just take all of your Immortals after feedbacking his Thors and just target fire them. If you have 6-7 Immortals they should be able to one-shot the Thors. If the Thors have just been feedbacked it will be even less. | ||
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hoax0000
United States26 Posts
I would also agree will other posters in the 'once your ahead, get more aheaf' mentality. If you win a major engagement, expand, tech, and build infrastructure. Deny your opponent from expoing and control the map and yoy have the entire game won, no matter what match up or builds. | ||
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Arisen
United States2382 Posts
Gl. ps. there's no point in BMing him for doing the smart play in the situation. Be nice to people | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
On May 16 2011 09:48 hoax0000 wrote: Im a fiamond toss player, and used to have the same problem in gold. Now its easy to beat a mass thor type build. Get tech for chargelots and at the same time drop a temp arch. The HTs can feedback and do a lot of damage to thors now that they have energy bars back. And the chargelots will take out any scvs in your way, factor in a couple immortals for hardened shell and extra dps and its a no contest against em I would also agree will other posters in the 'once your ahead, get more aheaf' mentality. If you win a major engagement, expand, tech, and build infrastructure. Deny your opponent from expoing and control the map and yoy have the entire game won, no matter what match up or builds. Getting ahead isnt always the best choice I just want to point that out. Expanding in PvP is one example, expanding against a Terran if they are already ahead in bases is bad since they will just macro up an army and their economy is already ahead. If you can kill the mech based army and still have an army you should really try to do some damage. For the OP I would suggest DTs on larger maps since you will force them to waste scans and if the terran is low on scans dts do a lot of damage against everything on the field What I like to do is if I scout thors and a lot of them I get 3 robotics bays off 2 bases and make a lot of immortals while taking a third then getting a couple collossi | ||
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MusiK
United States302 Posts
Personally, as a terran player I get stomped these days when I go thor xP | ||
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101toss
3232 Posts
Biggest reason why colossi are the best choice is because they can handle marines very well when compared to the other "hard" counters to thors. | ||
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GinDo
3327 Posts
On May 16 2011 11:56 101toss wrote: One thing that most players overlook is that colossi w/ range can actually kite thors. Colossi are the best option since they won't get cannoned given proper control (less of an issue postpatch), melt supporting marines which would normally destroy voids/immortals as well as repairing SCVs, and are more useful in general against the terran army when compared to immortals/void rays. Biggest reason why colossi are the best choice is because they can handle marines very well when compared to the other "hard" counters to thors. Was just about to post this. The only issues are Stalkers. Low level players love stalker heavy compositions. Stalkers are crap in TvP and people don't realize that yet. Other then taking out Viking Clouds. Their pretty useless. @OP- You got to grow a pair and expand bro -_- | ||
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dreamsmasher
816 Posts
if you choose to go the stalker/colossus route, its vital that you are proactive with your stalkers (make sure you get blink). thors move extremely slowly and you should be able to take advantage that with col vision spotting for blink into their base. make sure you dont come within strike cannon range with your colossus. | ||
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CatNzHat
United States1599 Posts
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Owarida
United States333 Posts
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LoneWolf.Alpha
United States115 Posts
i haven't really seen the replay, but if you see thors with your observers (and toss should always have obs), u'll want to use feedback (post patch thors have energy bars now). also, you'll want to get immortals. truth is, whenever you see terran going factory or mech, you'll want to get robo. the general rule is, citadeladun tech > infantry, and robo>factory tech. you'll want to have some zealots to kill the scvs. they'll auto attack the SCVS so don't worry about microing. stalkers and immortals should focus fire one thor at a time. if you have a leftover stargate from earlier harass, i would suggest making a voidray actually. thors' air dps against heavy is abysmal compaired to their ground dps. recap: scouting is important. | ||
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ypslala
Burma545 Posts
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LoneWolf.Alpha
United States115 Posts
On May 16 2011 12:58 Owarida wrote: As people have suggested. HTs can feedback for large damage, and do storms to kill the SCVs. You would not need too many. Also void rays do very well, a voidray/chargelot build could be useful. i would not suggest making too many zealots against mech play. robo centered builds is best against factory units. zealost will get chewed up so badly with hellions, and factory terran can easily have a few hellions in their mix. then all of a sudden all your zeals are dead. that's a one-mistake = gg. not a good way to go. if you scout thor tech early enough, just go robo-centered play. if you don't see it early enough and have your citadeladun up, then go for stalker hit/run blink. that'll fuck up their econ while you do wahtever you want. | ||
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